[PVP] Ishtar

[LordsServant]

With the 800 plate you're at 26.2k EHP
With a 400 you're at 21.8k EHP
With an EANM II you're at 19.5k EHP and 428 DPS repped before heat instead of 325 RPS (Repped Per Second... new term? \o/ )

With a smaller plate/EANM you can fit either Heavy Electron IIs or a Medium Neut + Medium Pulse Laser IIs.......... but the question is: do you have enough buffer without the 800 plate?

Ishtar needs more grid IMO.

I do agree that ishtar could use some more grid, but then it would be extremely OP tbh. As mentioned, I roll with max skilled mindlinked triple link legion - difference between 400 and 800 is 30k --> 38k ehp. Yes, not a huge buffer, but an almost 33% total ehp increase, and I have 27,291 of that in my armor alone. Dropping the 800 for an eanm I only get 25k ehp with my legion, with 14,465 of that being in my armor.

SO...I pretty much double the ehp of my armor for swapping out the 800 in place of an eanm. My EM "hole" isnt that big with t2 links running (72.4%) and my next lowest resist is 76.1 - explosive, which I can overheat my hardener to make it 81.9. My kinetic and thermal are fine at 82.1 and 91, respectively, and drake kinetic dps is "epic lulz" at those levels already, an eanm wouldn't do anything.

I often engage outnumbered, and ALWAYS carry improved exile. Using uniform damage types, I tank 947 dps before applying heat. With that kind of expected incoming dps, I like to have more of an armor buffer for "OH SHIT" reaction time. Additionally, I can bait tank with a bit more leeway if something suddenly lands and without worrying about zomg accidently died. Another "bonus" is that my rep cycles look almost normal when bait tanking rather than "zomg he obviously popped exile, and is bait tanking me" - I can intentionally cycle my reppers every 10 or so seconds rather than the 4 and change which they normally cycle at with bonuses.

Perhaps if you aren't rolling with a t2 linked legion, an eanm or EM hardener would be better in place of an 800mm plate, but for how I roll and what I engage, I prefer the 800mm plate. (And without t2 links you won't have shit for buffer anyhoo and this becomes a kinda meh soloing ship imo)

And THAT is why I run my fit the way I run my fit.

Note - All stats were done WITHOUT slaves (which I may or may not run - they help substantially, but I would like to try rolling this thru syndicate/venal and not have to worry about getting podded)

-Lords

[OrangeAfroMan]

Time to breathe some life into this thread. The Ishtar has been my favorite solo roaming/ganker ship for about a month now. It works great for guerrilla killing, but is one of the hardest ships to fly in practice.

Here's the fit..

[Ishtar, Ishtar - CBlasters 2]

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe /OFFLINE
Improved Cloaking Device II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large Shield Extender II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Internal Force Field Array I
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
Vespa II x5
Ogre II x5

Your second set of heavies is specific to the ratters in your area. I'd recommend sentries, depending on how you find yourself flying it. You can run a named PDU/CPR + Warp Disruptor II if you prefer. It can do lowsec, nullsec, wormhole, whatever floats your boat.

Basically, it can kite if it wants to, or facerape if it has the opportunity to do so relatively safely. Drone choice per target is crucial. Even Hammerhead IIs are outrun by shieldCanes and killed - Vespas are a bit faster but Valkyries may be a better choice overall.

I <3 this ship.

[OrangeAfroMan]

New Solo Ishtar fit:

[Ishtar, Ishtar - C SL 2DDA]

Internal Force Field Array I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large Shield Extender II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
Vespa II x5
Ogre II x5
Bouncer II x5

I do miss the scram, but I think it is worth it.

[prometheus]

Use the Gila

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Use the Gila

They're both good in theory but lackluster in practice still, imo.

Though gila's additional dps might push it over the top for closerange brawling maybe?

[prometheus]

Gila makes better use out of those drone mods, yes

[OrangeAfroMan]

Gila has one less low which means:

Fast
Good EHP
Good Damage

Pick two

[Lex Fasces]

Gila has one less low which means:

Fast
Good EHP
Good Damage

Pick two

the gila has higher ehp and is slightly faster to begin with no?

[Malaes]

Gila has one less low which means:

Fast
Good EHP
Good Damage

Pick two

the gila has higher ehp and is slightly faster to begin with no?

That's what I thought, but the Ishtar is faster and more agile (239 m/s 6.1sec vs 205 m/s 6.2sec on the gila). The gila does have more base EHP though.

[Smuggo]

Yeah Ishtar got its agility and speed buffed with along with the blaster boat rebalance wheras Gila didn't as it's a missile and drone boat.

[prometheus]

Gila also has a large drone bay
(and defenders)

[LordsServant]

Gila also has a large drone bay
(and defenders)

Did CCP put defenders back in? I thought they removed em or something as they brokeded the graphix now?

[Daneel Trevize]

There's 2 kinds now, no? To have correct sized models for launchers.

[LordsServant]

Yours truly, presenting the 1k dps ishtar:


[Ishtar, lol ishtar @ zero wait wtf]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Warp Scrambler II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Ogre II x5

1009 dps w/heat. Mix of drones is up to you.

Overheats vanilla to 2324 m/s, so closing range on just about anything is EZMODE.

33k EHP vs omni. Pretty manly tbh. =D

I would personally drop the MFS II for a DCU II, bumps ur ehp up to 42k, but dps drops to ONLY 957. :P

[Warmenhoven]

Yours truly, presenting the 1k dps ishtar:


[Ishtar, lol ishtar @ zero wait wtf]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Warp Scrambler II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Ogre II x5

1009 dps w/heat. Mix of drones is up to you.

Overheats vanilla to 2324 m/s, so closing range on just about anything is EZMODE.

33k EHP vs omni. Pretty manly tbh. =D

I would personally drop the MFS II for a DCU II, bumps ur ehp up to 42k, but dps drops to ONLY 957. :P

Swap invuln for em resist and the em rig for an explosive one, evens out the resist profile and given the amount of EM damage flying round i think it's justified.

Somehow needs a web though =/

[Warmenhoven]

imo this deserves its own post but if i'm wrong v0v sorry:


[Ishtar, Ratting Armour]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Ogre II x5
Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5

Drones to choice.
39/41K EHP
1355/1919 m/s (aligns in 9.88)
845/873 DPS
31.4/36 sensor str (but we all know that doesn't matter anyway)

[Blastil]

Your primary problem with the Ishtar is its engagement envelope. I know a lot of you are fitting blasters onto your ishtars, but this is stupid. Your Ishtar should NEVER close in under neut range, you will loose your MWD, and die. simple. The Ishtar certainly can be fit for massive tank, but your best bet is to use its massive speed to GTFO before you are ever even close to 20 KM. Leave tackling to the tacklers. With that in mind, this build is ideal for the kind of flying you will wind up using an ishtar in, namely zipping in and out of a small gang fight while using your drones to apply 500 DPS without even being in the danger zone. If you find yourself solo, or the first tackle on scene, there IS a point fitted, but mostly for short term solutions.

I realize the Ishtar isn't bonused for autocannons, however, the DPS you'd get off three blasters is crap anyway, so you might as well have 3 guns that hit out to a reasonable optimal range and have good native tracking. I might even suggest fitting small guns to track frigates instead. However with auto cannons, you don't have to worry about a neut shutting down your guns as well as your MWD. Additionally, it can deal damage to its maximum point range, meaning you don't get in web/scram range of a brutix to deal your crappy DPS

Your biggest fears: vagabonds, cynabals, any cruiser that can break 3 k/s without heat.
Your best friend: little tackle ships.
Your best target: battlecruisers/battleships.

[Ishtar, Aria Drone Host]

Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Drone Link Augmentor I
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Berserker II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5

does approximately 550 DPS before heat using berserkers.
35.6 K EHP (don't worry, you should never be inside their optimal to be in any danger anyway)
drone control out past 100 KM, lock radius 120 KM

[Warmenhoven]

Oh wow so much wrong in your first post

Your primary problem with the Ishtar is its engagement envelope. I know a lot of you are fitting blasters onto your ishtars, but this is stupid.

Proooo tip: dont come onto a forum and insult its users in the first sentence of your first post.

Leave tackling to the tacklers...small gang fight...apply 500 DPS without even being in the danger zone

In a small gang everyone should be tackling, it is so desperately needed otherwise tonnes of targets will be getting away (unless ofc you're just ganking random solo guys) and applying your DPS from outside the danger zone? Where's that? end of scram range, end of point range? end of dreak range? or is it outside the range of those damn scary neuts you're so willing to send your friends into but not deal with yourself? (you do know heavy neuts go to 25km right?) and how long do you think your drones are going to take to get to the target when you're sitting 100km out?

you might as well have 3 guns that hit out to a reasonable optimal range

falloff

Additionally, it can deal damage to its maximum point range

yea like 3 DPS out at 24km ¬_¬

[Warmenhoven]

Oh wow so much wrong in your first post

Your primary problem with the Ishtar is its engagement envelope. I know a lot of you are fitting blasters onto your ishtars, but this is stupid.

Proooo tip: dont come onto a forum and insult its users in the first sentence of your first post.

Leave tackling to the tacklers...small gang fight...apply 500 DPS without even being in the danger zone

In a small gang everyone should be tackling, it is so desperately needed otherwise tonnes of targets will be getting away (unless ofc you're just ganking random solo guys) and applying your DPS from outside the danger zone? Where's that? end of scram range, end of point range? end of dreak range? or is it outside the range of those damn scary neuts
you're so willing to send your friends into but not deal with yourself? (you do know heavy neuts go to 25km right?) and how long do you think your drones are going to take to get to the target when you're sitting 100km out?

you might as well have 3 guns that hit out to a reasonable optimal range

falloff

Additionally, it can deal damage to its maximum point range

yea like 3 DPS out at 24km ¬_¬

[OrangeAfroMan]

I used to fit blasters to mine so I could, depending on the situation, apply more DPS than my drones could manage.

I disagree with most of Blastil's post, sorry bro.


What I'm currently using now that we have DDAs:

[Ishtar, Ishtar - C SL 2DDA]

Internal Force Field Array I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large Shield Extender II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
Vespa II x5
Ogre II x5
Bouncer II x5


What I would use if I didn't require a cloak:

[Ishtar, Ishtar - SL 2DDA]

Internal Force Field Array I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large Capacitor Battery II
Warp Disruptor II

Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Salvager I /OFFLINE

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
Vespa II x5
Ogre II x5
Bouncer II x5

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