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    To be fair the Italians also used Starfighters as fighterbombers and they worked fine

    I wish I knew more about Italian cold war training doctrine because I have a feeling that they didn't fly them as much as the Germans since some of the F-104S' that made it to 2008 were original 1970's tail numbers.


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    I saw the avro Vulcan two years in a row at the Bournemouth air show but my gfs parents house is inline from the nearest airfield to bournemouth beach. I believe last year the Vulcan was retired from airshows and her father had to work but would have loved to see it fly one last time. Well it only went and flew over the fucking house on the Sunday heading towards the airshow. He was chuffed, I love seeing old migs though they're always good fun

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    The vulcan was amazing yeah, I saw it a few times too.

    I tried to go to its last public flight but couldn't make it. Sad times.


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    Just read up a bit.

    The Starfighter was not an all-weather attack craft. The Luftwaffe wanted it to be a all-weather fighter bomber, which it couldn't really do. It couldn't really carry the nukes it had to carry, nor could it handle the weather. Furthermore the Luftwaffe was merely four years old, maintenance was shoddy at best, training hadn't caught up yet. Between 1945 and 1960 there was no air force in Germany, none of the old pilots and ground crews worked with planes (civil aviation was also banned for a while). The acquisition was corrupt as fuck (Starfighter-Affäre) as usual for Lockheed (at the time), the plane wasn't really what Germany wanted at the time.

    The Italians used the Starfighter as an interceptor, in that role it worked fine.

    Oh wait, they used it like Germany and had a 38% loss rate. Higher than Germany's 31% loss rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post

    Airliners have turbofan engines and fighters have turboreactors
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    I have one like that too except you cant really see inside


    Btw what is that gear looking thing in the middle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Just read up a bit.

    The Starfighter was not an all-weather attack craft. The Luftwaffe wanted it to be a all-weather fighter bomber, which it couldn't really do. It couldn't really carry the nukes it had to carry, nor could it handle the weather. Furthermore the Luftwaffe was merely four years old, maintenance was shoddy at best, training hadn't caught up yet. Between 1945 and 1960 there was no air force in Germany, none of the old pilots and ground crews worked with planes (civil aviation was also banned for a while). The acquisition was corrupt as fuck (Starfighter-Affäre) as usual for Lockheed (at the time), the plane wasn't really what Germany wanted at the time.

    The Italians used the Starfighter as an interceptor, in that role it worked fine.

    Oh wait, they used it like Germany and had a 38% loss rate. Higher than Germany's 31% loss rate.
    It doesn't take a genius to understand that F-104 can not reliably handle anything other than flying level in perfect conditions and at normal weight. Kinda like the original Tu-22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    The acquisition was corrupt as fuck (Starfighter-Affäre) as usual for Lockheed (at the time), the plane wasn't really what Germany wanted at the time.
    >Implying arms manufacturers aren't corrupt as fuck currently
    Quote Originally Posted by The Road to Wigan Pier - George Orwell
    We all rail against class-distinctions, but very few people seriously want to abolish them. Here you come upon the important fact that every revolutionary opinion draws part of its strength from a secret conviction that nothing can be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    The acquisition was corrupt as fuck (Starfighter-Affäre) as usual for Lockheed (at the time), the plane wasn't really what Germany wanted at the time.
    >Implying arms manufacturers aren't corrupt as fuck currently
    Hence the brackets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    The acquisition was corrupt as fuck (Starfighter-Affäre) as usual for Lockheed (at the time), the plane wasn't really what Germany wanted at the time.
    >Implying arms manufacturers aren't corrupt as fuck currently
    Hence the brackets.
    The brackets suggest things have improved
    Quote Originally Posted by The Road to Wigan Pier - George Orwell
    We all rail against class-distinctions, but very few people seriously want to abolish them. Here you come upon the important fact that every revolutionary opinion draws part of its strength from a secret conviction that nothing can be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    The acquisition was corrupt as fuck (Starfighter-Affäre) as usual for Lockheed (at the time), the plane wasn't really what Germany wanted at the time.
    >Implying arms manufacturers aren't corrupt as fuck currently
    Hence the brackets.
    The brackets suggest things have improved
    Or deteriorated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    The acquisition was corrupt as fuck (Starfighter-Affäre) as usual for Lockheed (at the time), the plane wasn't really what Germany wanted at the time.
    >Implying arms manufacturers aren't corrupt as fuck currently
    Hence the brackets.
    The brackets suggest things have improved
    No, they mean the sentence can be read both with or without the information contained within. But yeah, it's ambiguous.
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    20 minute video of one of 2 remaining flight worthy Boeing B-29 Superfortress’s


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    Re: aircraft noise.

    3 of our 4 major fighter airfields suffer significantly from urban encroachment (1 is literally in the middle of Darwin, the only one that doesn't is in outback NT).

    JSF is significantly louder than F-18s.

    The RAAF has a long standing public education programme for people buying into these areas to go 'we make loud noises, we're entitled to make loud noises, you should recognise that before moving here, this is part of the reason it's soo much cheaper'.

    When the inevitable complaints start rolling in apparently the planned response is 'sigh, we literally told you so'.

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    We have similarly stupid people here.

    The plans to expand Schönefeld Airport South of Berlin are old. The current plans were drawn up back in the 90s.

    People moved close to the airport and then sued for noise pollution. Courts pointed out that they moved in next door to an airport.

    The airport did pay for new noise insulating windows for everyone living in the vicinity some time in the 90s.

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    Last edited by Joe Appleby; March 25 2017 at 09:09:15 AM. Reason: Fucking phone posted before I was done.
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    Thought of the day:

    If American B-52s deliver freedom and democracy so Russian Tu-95s deliver communism and opression?
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