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    Quote Originally Posted by thebomby View Post
    So now it looks as if the Indians will either get the F-35 or something.
    It probably runs windows and they have the biggest pool of IT support in the world, so they should be fine.

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    That was Indian Navy's IL-38 aircraft which crash landed in Moscow airport on Saturday after its nose wheel gear failed to deploy. The aircraft was piloted by Ilyushin's test pilots for technical evaluation of the aircraft.
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    But islamism IS a product of class warfare. Rich white countries come into developing brown dictatorships, wreck the leadership, infrastructure and economy and then act all surprised that religious fanaticism is on the rise.
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    walrus isnt a bad poster.
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    That nose…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
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    and yes, is that time of year

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    Luftwaffe, Eurofighter Typhoon
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    I was about to say, those are half of what is supposedly flight worthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    I was about to say, those are half of what is supposedly flight worthy.

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    wtf is up with Luftwaffe and their maintenance department anyway ? does it consist of Wagner and his plumber wrench, with literately nothing else or what?

    actually, your army is just as bad, 95 operational tanks ? really m8 ? that's barely twice of what the Danish army manages to have combat ready.
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

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    So is Germany a paper tiger, but at the same time rolling in the paper monies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    So is Germany a paper tiger, but at the same time rolling in the paper monies?
    a paper tiger is implied to be scary, the german armed forces is actually smaller than a significant chunk of the other EU member countries including Greece and Poland.

    sure, they've got the lions share of the Tank and AFV factories, but they aren't actually making any kit for domestic use in meaningful quantities and basically haven't since the the mid 90's procurement contracts ended.

    it's more of a brain-damaged origami kitten at this point, only it's on fire too.
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    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    So is Germany a paper tiger, but at the same time rolling in the paper monies?
    a paper tiger is implied to be scary, the german armed forces is actually smaller than a significant chunk of the other EU member countries including Greece and Poland.

    sure, they've got the lions share of the Tank and AFV factories, but they aren't actually making any kit for domestic use in meaningful quantities and basically haven't since the the mid 90's procurement contracts ended.

    it's more of a brain-damaged origami kitten at this point, only it's on fire too.
    but they could switch all those factories to maximum production for tanks and planes overnight hurrr

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
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    So is Germany a paper tiger, but at the same time rolling in the paper monies?
    a paper tiger is implied to be scary, the german armed forces is actually smaller than a significant chunk of the other EU member countries including Greece and Poland.

    sure, they've got the lions share of the Tank and AFV factories, but they aren't actually making any kit for domestic use in meaningful quantities and basically haven't since the the mid 90's procurement contracts ended.

    it's more of a brain-damaged origami kitten at this point, only it's on fire too.
    but they could switch all those factories to maximum production for tanks and planes overnight hurrr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    So is Germany a paper tiger, but at the same time rolling in the paper monies?
    a paper tiger is implied to be scary, the german armed forces is actually smaller than a significant chunk of the other EU member countries including Greece and Poland.

    sure, they've got the lions share of the Tank and AFV factories, but they aren't actually making any kit for domestic use in meaningful quantities and basically haven't since the the mid 90's procurement contracts ended.

    it's more of a brain-damaged origami kitten at this point, only it's on fire too.
    Supposed strength is around 200k, higher than even France. But austerity meant that money was cut wherever possible. And the military doesn't have the same clout it has in other countries (go figure).

    I remember before the refugee crisis during the financial crisis people here said that Germany only forced austerity on others but not on ourselves.

    This is along with education where most austerity cuts were made and you can see the results now. To no one's surprise here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
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    So is Germany a paper tiger, but at the same time rolling in the paper monies?
    a paper tiger is implied to be scary, the german armed forces is actually smaller than a significant chunk of the other EU member countries including Greece and Poland.

    sure, they've got the lions share of the Tank and AFV factories, but they aren't actually making any kit for domestic use in meaningful quantities and basically haven't since the the mid 90's procurement contracts ended.

    it's more of a brain-damaged origami kitten at this point, only it's on fire too.
    Supposed strength is around 200k, higher than even France. But austerity meant that money was cut wherever possible. And the military doesn't have the same clout it has in other countries (go figure).

    I remember before the refugee crisis during the financial crisis people here said that Germany only forced austerity on others but not on ourselves.

    This is along with education where most austerity cuts were made and you can see the results now. To no one's surprise here.
    the problem with the 200k figure is that it's bullshit, it's more like 180k counting everything including the janitors and once you pare down to deployable combat troops you're looking at maybe 50k across 1st Panzer, 10th Panzer and the joint Rapid Reaction force, there's another 30k in the reserves that can be called up on short notice. (30k is fucking nothing, the Danish home guard is 20k strong with a 48h call-up, the army reserve is 60k with 12k active, and roughly 8k of those being "deployable" across two combat brigades, and we're less than 1/10th of the size of Germany with a economy even smaller than that, ideally the force should be grown back to division size, but the size of the reserve means it's possible to do so on a 6-12 month notice)

    part of that skewed figure is the mechanized nature of the force, requiring a extensive support train, but another significant part is that a lot of NATO staff functions are managed by the Bundeswehr directly and indirectly.

    France, for comparison fields 110k in the army, at first glance that's significantly more German soldiers, but looking closer at the numbers, a significantly higher percentage of those are in the combat arm as logistics is integrated across army, navy and air-force units leading to roughly 50k combat troops available and they have the advantage that more than half their equipment aren't stuck in the shops with no spares available.

    compared to the nations operating a separate militia branch the amount of "men with guns" available in a crisis situation is on the low side for both countries regardless.

    as for the austerity cuts, m8 Germany started carving their armed forces to pieces after the wall fell to pay for the east/west integration, the thing is, you lot never stopped carving pieces off that piggy. couple that with the domestic arms industry foisting everything and the kitchen-sink onto the armed forces and you've got a impressively sized boon-dongle with not enough funding to support all the toys, that often end up being bought in to small volumes to make a meaningful impact. the problem is you lot forced austerity on everybody else, but didn't actually let them downsize their armed forces in the process, instead demanding cuts on the welfare programs and loosening the labour markets.
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Austerity did affect everything in Germany, you may need to take a closer look.

    The Bundeswehr is a shit show, it's not respected, especially not in the East by anyone who served the East German military (my gun course instructor joined the Legion instead of serving the Bundeswehr). The military has no support by the people. And we're stuck, as you point out, by tons of NATO functions that require a decent amount of manpower.
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