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    Help me choose between OS for a home server

    So here's the deal.

    I have an Opteron 165 (dual core, 64-bit) system with 4GB of memory, that has a PCI-e slot (1.0 or 1.1), 2 PCI-X slots and 2 PCI slots. On-board bare bones VGA graphics, that type of deal.

    I want to use this for a home server, and while I understand the tech is ancient (circa 2005), I'm habitually poor so it's what I have to work with.

    I'm trying to choose between the following OS:

    Windows Server 2008 R2 (I have a free copy I got through ACM a loooong time ago, I think you can install the "lesser" versions of Windows Server from this same disc.)
    Windows Home Server 2011 (I would have to spend $50 to buy this)
    Some free linux thing

    The hardware meets the minimum spec requirements of of both types of Windows Server. I basically want to use this as a backup for my NAS, occasional file sharing, perhaps some TV recording (I hear this is a huge pain on Home Server), and connecting to with remote desktop so I can pretend that I'm cool.

    I'm also open to free alternatives, I've heard of stuff like FreeNAS and I know there's Linux distros designed around TV recording, but more than likely I'm going to want to use this for several moderately intensive but quite different tasks and probably none of them concurrently.

    Any thoughts FHC?

    Edit: I also have a copy of Windows XP Media Center Edition but LOL as if that will ever work with Windows 7 clients and I doubt it would even boot on 64-bit hardware.
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    Ok, now remember, im a windows admin at work so I speak the truth.

    Your choice is between home server and Linux.. Server 2K8 will not give you what you want without either setting up a domain for home (thus meaning you have to log in all the time) or a headache.. Linux will give you the same headache, except when you get it all working you will have an awesome amount of knowledge that will assist you in all future computer related efforts. (Plus its a lot more flexible if you are willing to tick with it)

    Home server is likely what you want to use as its pretty much made exactly to do what you want to do, except it will cost money.
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    Not necessarly true that you need a domain. Just pick whatever you want to learn to operate.

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    Linux sounds more and more tempting, not only because I'm not likely to come up with $50 I have nothing better to spend on but also because my NAS supports rsync as well as some other neat plugins. I also need an excuse to get arms deep into Linux again.

    I wouldn't know where to start with a choice of distro though, I would imagine the ready made ones for TV recording wouldn't be so easy to set up for file sharing / running a Minecraft server or other random stuff on the side, and for the reverse as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boltorano View Post
    I wouldn't know where to start with a choice of distro though, I would imagine the ready made ones for TV recording wouldn't be so easy to set up for file sharing / running a Minecraft server or other random stuff on the side, and for the reverse as well.
    Not really, but it depends on how you do it. If you grab a "Pure XMBC Distro" type image then it may be a bit more wok to sort the Samba/Minecraft/Etc, though vice versa if you take a common-or garden Debian install, it could be a littel harder - but not impossible, to sort XMBC type things.
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    personal experience on turning a pice of crap into a home server:
    the thing is built around a dualcore atom board with 2 gigs of ram and still works like a charm, altho anything over 720p is unplayable (considering getting an amd zacate board for 40 euros)
    it sports ubuntu 10.04 (upgrade to 12.04 coming soon)
    Installing the OS was a breeze
    Configuring to share folders/permissions was a breeze
    Installing xbmc was a breeze
    Configuring xbmc to use a wiimote as remote took 1 command line to be added to startup applications (smartphone thru wifi connection is even simpler)
    Installing torrent client (for legal puproses only of course) was as complicated as installing xbmc (using deluge because is awesome and can be demonized with a click)
    installing ssh server for remote maintenance was a breeze (sharing desktop is even simpler)
    when i say "a breeze" i mean simple gui or copypasta command line into terminal and press enter

    it sits quietly (passive cooling) in the livingroom hooked to the tv

    drawback:
    softraid is something of a bitch to set up, that is NOT a breeze


    moreover its free, try it out, if you don't like it nuke it and all is good in the world

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    Home Server is a deprecated SKU, you wont have a upgrade path, XP MCE will boot and install on that by the way, not that it's any good, or ever was any good.

    just stuff a Linux on it, it's pretty much the future at this point anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pazuzu View Post
    drawback:
    softraid is something of a bitch to set up, that is NOT a breeze
    I actually forgot this.. Software raid on windows full stop is horrible. Its actually good on Linux and I prefer it on may systems ahead of a raid card (until you get to the top end 8 or 16 channel cards) because you can do things like live expansions and live layout changes.
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    The new "soft-RAID" on Windows 2012 is quite good actually. It is a lot like ZFS and supports JBOD aswell.

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    yea, and it's still only supporting equal sized disks.

    so its still fucking pointless.

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    I believe you are mistaken. Read up on Windows 2012 Storage Spaces and you'll see.

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    http://helgeklein.com/blog/2012/03/w...-design-flaws/

    http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums...82/301478.aspx

    social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/11382.storage-spaces-frequently-asked-questions-faq.aspx
    Why do I have a low capacity warning even though I still have unused pool capacity?

    Storage Spaces provides advance notification of thinly provisioned storage spaces when the storage pool does not have enough capacity spread among a sufficient number of disks to continue to write new data. The default warning point is 70% capacity utilization. To learn when Storage Spaces will generate a warning, consider the following example.
    A two column, two-way mirror space that uses thin provisioning in a four disk pool

    Two of the disks have 1TB capacity and two have 2TB capacity. Because a two column, two-way mirror space needs four disks (number_of_disks = NumberOfColumns * NumberOfDataCopies), it will evenly consume all four disks as it writes new data. When capacity utilization of the two 1TB disks reaches 70%, Storage Spaces will warn of a low capacity condition. Even though the entire pool has 3.2TB free capacity, the thinly provisioned space will soon not be able to write any more data because the 1TB disks are nearly fully consumed.

    You can easily keep individual storage spaces’ low capacity warning synchronized with each other and with the pool by following the guidance in the next section, “How do I increase pool capacity?” from the moment of creating the pool and through all subsequent expansions of the pool.
    How do I increase pool capacity?

    Storage Spaces can usually use the additional capacity from even a single additional drive. However, for optimal capacity utilization, consider the number of columns your storage spaces have and add disks in multiples of that number.

    For example, consider a pool which has a four-column simple space, a one-column, two-way mirror space, and an eight-column parity space. The four-column simple space suggests you expand pool capacity in sets of four disks. The one-column, two-way mirror space suggests you expand pool capacity in sets of two disks (for mirror spaces, you have to multiple the number of columns by the number of copies). The eight-column parity space suggests you expand pool capacity in sets of eight disks. In this example, you would want to expand pool capacity in sets of eight disks as eight is a common multiple of the number of columns of each of the storage spaces in the pool.
    or in human readable, how nice of you that you put in 2 2tb disks and 2 1tb disks, but we will only use 1tb on all disks because its the smallest one that counts!

    so yea, fucking pointless, or "welcome to where the competition was, ten years ago"

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    RAID parity level will require equal sized disk just as in real RAID. Nothing new there.

    As for the same applying for no RAID setup seem to be a bug. In the link you gave they are not using retail.

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    ofc not, RTM went out last week, but it has not been acknowledged as a bug and as far as i know, though i really cant be bothered to test it on my own dime, so verification will have to wait.

    Storage spaces does not even support the "LVM trick" where you create a virtual volume out of two smaller disks to get proper RAID 5 support, it's a stunt i am using right now where i run a pair of 1TB disks as a 2TB disk RAID 5 with two 2TB disks.

    also, ZFS does it right natively, so why the heck are we not migrating to that instead of some bastardized RAID system with de-dupe support ?
    oh right, not invented here, CDDL is the devil, etc etc etc.
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    Windows home server is king, at least the pre-2011 one - storage management is awesome, auto-backups is awesome, file server is awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JForce View Post
    Windows home server is king, at least the pre-2011 one - storage management is awesome, auto-backups is awesome, file server is awesome.
    ...and it's deprecated so you cant get it anymore, y'kno if you ever wanted to upgrade.

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    I use windows 2008 r2 at home and I used to rent a 2 ubuntu servers. Both were relatively childlike to use, always wanted to try centos and plex though.
    For handiness sake and seeing as you have a free key, just use r2.
    EDIT, you never said what you actually needed the server for. I just use mine for running lan servers and a seedbox/filesharing over the network etc. Nothing awkward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JForce View Post
    Windows home server is king, at least the pre-2011 one - storage management is awesome, auto-backups is awesome, file server is awesome.
    ...and it's deprecated so you cant get it anymore, y'kno if you ever wanted to upgrade.
    Technically that's not completely true. You can still use it just fine, and it will get updates just fine, but there is currently no upgrade path and no plans for an upgrade path in the future.

    You really need to decide how much work you are willing to put in to get what you want.. Old PC + Debian + Samba = really quick file share for a home network. If that's all you want then just about anything will work just fine (its also easy are pie with windows, you just need a slightly bigger memory footprint). DHCP? Also easy as hell.. Email server? That's getting a little more complex but again debian can do this out of the box, but all of your windows servers will need software (you can get free smtp/pop/imap email services, I'd recommend using imap so you can sync your phone/pc with the same mailbox)
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    Can you run Volume Shadow Copy service with anything other than a full Windows server install and a domain?

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