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    Re: Machariel

    Had that exact same convo with someone last night. I'd be pretty embarassed losing a Mach with meta 4 guns on when the ship itself costs ~900m.

    As I understand it - at least generally speaking - faction guns are outdamaged by T2 at spec IV upwards, so if this ship doesn't desperately need Barrage then I guess it's not a terrible idea.

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    Re: Machariel

    Quote Originally Posted by Podcat
    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiodome
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    no, if you cant wait for the skill to finish buy faction guns, its already too expensive a ship to gimp yourself and create a lol mail. fly tempests to get practice
    A good point. Perhaps if you just wanted it for pve then the meta4 would be good. But, that is for another thread (and subsection of this forum)

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    Re: Machariel

    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi
    A good point. Perhaps if you just wanted it for pve then the meta4 would be good. But, that is for another thread (and forum).
    Not another forum just the sub section listed for PVE.

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    Re: Machariel

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi
    A good point. Perhaps if you just wanted it for pve then the meta4 would be good. But, that is for another thread (and forum).
    Not another forum just the sub section listed for PVE.
    We're also saying Meta 4 has an inherent disadvantage because when you use T2 guns with the proper T2 skill, you can get an additional 2% damage (or ROF) per skill level. So there is that. T2 guns are just better.

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    Re: Machariel

    +1'ing the 'practice in a tempest while skilling up', i've no experience of either (so dunno why i'm posting here ) but i can't see how this is anything other than the most logical route.

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    Re: Machariel

    I used to use instalock unprobable Mach with t1 1400's (fuck yeah domination faction ones).

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    Re: Machariel

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    I used to use instalock unprobable Mach with t1 1400's (fuck yeah domination faction ones).

    my pvp course is on hold atm until after AT unless you make me an offer I cant resist. sorry

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    Re: Machariel

    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi
    Just wondering if anyone would be willing to share their experiences with armour Mach vs. shield Mach?
    Do you guys prefer one greatly over the other?

    These two fits posted by 2ippy seem to have fairly similar stats, most notable difference being the slight trade between speed and ehp that armour gives.
    If armour tanking is considered, would halo implants for some degree of sig tanking be a viable alternative to slaves, or is it slaves or gtfo?
    The shield mach is pretty much a kiting ship whilst the armor one is more of a brawler
    And you should roll with slave, it's what I do and it hasn't let me down yet

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    Re: Machariel

    Quote Originally Posted by Podcat
    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    I used to use instalock unprobable Mach with t1 1400's (fuck yeah domination faction ones).

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    [Machariel, Arty mach 2 gyro]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Damage Control II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    True Sansha Reactor Control Unit
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Core A-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II

    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Ammatar Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer

    Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I

    Was the fit I ended up deciding on, same rigs as the the A/C version since there's no way in hell I'm carting 2 machs around.

    To keep the neut you do need the faction RCU and a Core rather than Gist MWD.

    Having said that officer RCUs aren't too expensive to let you use a Gist which gives you an extra 40s of MWD'ing:
    [Machariel, Arty mach 2 gyro - Gist]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Damage Control II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Brokara's Modified Reactor Control Unit
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II

    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Ammatar Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer

    Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I
    Last edited by Dodgy Past; July 21 2011 at 10:22:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgy Past View Post
    [Machariel, Arty mach 2 gyro]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Damage Control II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    True Sansha Reactor Control Unit
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Core A-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II

    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Ammatar Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer

    Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I

    Was the fit I ended up deciding on, same rigs as the the A/C version since there's no way in hell I'm carting 2 machs around.

    To keep the neut you do need the faction RCU and a Core rather than Gist MWD.

    Having said that officer RCUs aren't too expensive to let you use a Gist which gives you an extra 40s of MWD'ing:
    [Machariel, Arty mach 2 gyro - Gist]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Damage Control II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Brokara's Modified Reactor Control Unit
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II

    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Ammatar Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer

    Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I
    I strongly dislike these fits. you should have support ships in gang to swat flies around you, so use medium neut and ACR and get a 3rd gyro on there. 2 gyro mach is an insult to the ship.

    my pvp course is on hold atm until after AT unless you make me an offer I cant resist. sorry

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    May not seem like much but without a cap booster the gist mwd really is quite nice imo. On that note I found the heavy neut a little useless seens how in real engagements you shouldn't be close enough to use it. Came in handy for ninjaing onto mails from runners before they got whooped mind you, but totally unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Podcat View Post
    I strongly dislike these fits. you should have support ships in gang to swat flies around you, so use medium neut and ACR and get a 3rd gyro on there. 2 gyro mach is an insult to the ship.
    u mean for 1400 fits? because with 800mm i use 2 gyro, 2 tracking, 2 nano, 1DCU... seems to me "standard" for small-solo..

    l.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laz0rz View Post
    u mean for 1400 fits? because with 800mm i use 2 gyro, 2 tracking, 2 nano, 1DCU... seems to me "standard" for small-solo..

    l.
    yeah with ac i use 2/2/2 dc lol

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    if only he like quoted 1400mm fits as to illustrate what he was taking about

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    Quote Originally Posted by LS. View Post
    if only he like quoted 1400mm fits as to illustrate what he was taking about
    although I think a 2 gyro AC mach is pretty un-manly too though it can be argued that its better. 2 gyro arty is never a good idea. faction mwd:s are really nice though, although we tend to have bassis in gang to top ppl up during long engagements but its not needed that often with the faction one on there.

    my pvp course is on hold atm until after AT unless you make me an offer I cant resist. sorry

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    Already got this jus waiting on Minni BS 5 to finish and my balls to drop before i take it out into the wild :P

    Semi pimp fit, assuming i'm gonna loose it in some retarded way so preponed that by not going full retard with the fit (i already had the invuln left over from mah tengu fit).

    Clone has LG Crystals, AX-1, Zor, CX-1 & LX-1

    [Machariel, PvP]
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Synthetic Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I
    Damage Control II

    Gist C-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
    Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
    Dark Blood Warp Disruptor

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

    Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I


    Ogre II x4
    Warrior II x5


    Reps 914/1164 with blue pill (assuming OH invuln), 92k EHP, 1316Dps, 0.0989 Tracking with drop & Depleted Uranium, 1706/2449 m/s

    Thoughts?
    Last edited by Ted Breakers; August 22 2011 at 11:22:00 AM.

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    Faction neut, booster, gyros and TEs, T2 nano.
    CDFEs on an active tank
    RF or Domi point @ 30km.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Marram View Post
    Faction neut, booster, gyros and TEs, T2 nano.
    CDFEs on an active tank
    RF or Domi point @ 30km.
    Could fit faction neut if i fit a 3rd RF gyro, RF TE's only give .5% tracking over t2 for 100mil+ a pop, but would allow an upgrade to b-type booster. The faction cap booster only gives you a few more seconds cap and has a significantly smaller capacity. But yeah the point was to try and keep the fit as economical as possible, the above would add nearly 500mil to the cost of the setup for what imo are very minor gains.

    T2 nano only gives you 12m/s more speed but looses you 2.5k ehp...

    The thought behind the CDFE's is to give the active tank more space to work and protect agaisnt alpha. They give alot of EHP on a faction BS and complement the CN Invuln so seemed like a logical choice... Did consider polys... Would that be better?

    Again yes i did consider getting an RF point but for nearly double the cost the extra 2km didnt seem justified... (I had looted the DB Point in Delve :P). If i was to pimp the fit more it would become essential as i would need the extra CPU it frees up to fit an A or X type booster but this seemed to fit with the design philosophy and there is just enough CPU to make it work. Also it uses a fair bit less cap.

    Total cost of my fit is under 2bil, if i were to upgrade all the aforementioned modules it would increase the price by nealry 30%-45% depending on which booster i went for. Now i dont disagree that they would improve the ship, however is it really worth it?
    Last edited by Ted Breakers; August 22 2011 at 05:56:26 PM.

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    Anyone had a play with Machs and the new X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster?

    I built this up on the previous buffer with booster setup. I'm still in two minds about he CDFE, it adds a good chunk of buffer which is useful if that ASB goes into reload but it's still a potential misfit. The fit I based this on used 1 Invuln, 1 Cap Booster and 1 Shield Booster. Dropping the cap booster for another Invuln and the ASB gives a decent temporary active tank, but obviously makes your GTFO more vulnerable to neuts.


    [Machariel, ASB]
    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Gist C-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
    Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
    Imperial Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer

    Large Core Defense Field Extender II
    Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
    Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

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