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    [PVP] Machariel

    Will be flying one of these in the near future and was wanting a scimi-supported small(ish) gang fit.

    On the cheap side I know, but does this look ok?

    [Machariel, YehYeh]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Damage Control II

    Core C-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

    Large Core Defence Field Extender I
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I
    Large Core Defence Field Extender I

    Warrior II x5

    103k ehp. 1040 dps. 1.6k/ms.

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    Re: Machariel

    Faction heavy neut should be relatively cheap thanks to the dumb bears undercharging build costs. I'd fit T2 rigs if possible, Mach just screams for them.

    Other than that, looks pretty standard for a PVP Mach, doesn't it? Albeit on the T2 side.

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    Re: Machariel

    T2 Extender rigs are pretty expensive but swapping one of them for a T2 Anti-EM rig is around 65m and plugs the EM-hole nicely vs. the damage type most people would choose to put on a Mach. I'd also agree that a faction neut works well when you can grab them for about 65m.

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    Re: Machariel

    injector. or you will run dry and die. no exceptions.
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    That's the sad part.

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    Re: Machariel

    He said he's doing it with a Scimitar-supported gang. So the injector's not as big as a priority as it is solo.

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    Re: Machariel

    Quote Originally Posted by Tordin Varglund
    injector. or you will run dry and die. no exceptions.
    Odd I've not run an injector on any of my mach's since I used to armor tank.

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    Re: Machariel

    My fave ship. Have done some stupid stuff and somehow not lost it (yet).


    [Machariel, solo]
    Damage Control II
    Domination Nanofiber Structure
    Domination Nanofiber Structure
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    Gist A-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Invulnerability Field II
    Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
    Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Imperial Navy Heavy Energy Neutralizer

    Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
    Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster II


    Curator II x4
    For gangs over a certain size (or with logis), I swap the XLSB for a 2nd invuln.

    The 3rd rig is personal preference, I personally use a T2 metastasis rig for improved ability to kill tackle. You could use anti-kin screen if you fight a lot of dreaks/fly with lots of logis.

    Curators, again personal preference since I used to carry ec-600's but never found myself using them. My other 25m3 is warriors. If I'm fighting a camp, it's a case of jump in > drop curators > burn away > pretend to not give a fuck when they get killed.

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    Re: Machariel

    Darkopteron, do you fly that with any implants?

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    Re: Machariel

    My mach jumpclone has my-1/ay-1/zor/cx-1/lx-1 but I often forget to JC into it, and just use a my-1 in my normal clones and nothing else, since I get podded weekly anyway. (I realise the cy-1 is better, but I'm cheap ).

    Usually dualbox with my prowler so I do get a squad bonus, and occasionally have a friendly link loki in gang.

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    Re: Machariel

    I was thinking to swap the invulnerability with a Shield boost amp, or extremely with an afterburner to have a dual prop. Is in your opinion doable or is totattly crazyness?

    L.

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    Re: Machariel

    Quote Originally Posted by Helen
    Quote Originally Posted by Tordin Varglund
    injector. or you will run dry and die. no exceptions.
    Odd I've not run an injector on any of my mach's since I used to armor tank.
    depends what you do with it. there are two uses for a mach:
    - kiting larger gangs - you will be burning around for a few minutes at least. so you either need a bassi to top ppls cap up once in a while or injectors
    - brawling into BC to kill them faster. in this situation you will have heavy neut running all the time and injector will be hard to live without

    my pvp course is on hold atm until after AT unless you make me an offer I cant resist. sorry

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    Re: Machariel

    For fits like the dark-opteron's one... i mean active tanking (like a big sleipnir)... better going for Snakes or Crystals set?

    L-

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    Re: Machariel

    Crystals
    Quote Originally Posted by LeonM View Post
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    That's the sad part.

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    Re: Machariel

    [Machariel, Armor Mach]
    Damage Control II
    Centus A-Type Large Armor Repairer
    Centus A-Type Large Armor Repairer
    Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

    Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Imperial Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer

    Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II
    Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
    Large Nanobot Accelerator I


    Ogre II x4
    Warrior II x5


    With slaves and ganglinks:
    144k EHP, 21.5K Armor
    1120 DPS W/ Ogre's
    Tank: 2200/2600
    1502 m/s

    You can swap the disruptor for a scram, comes down to personal flavor

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    [Machariel, Machariel active beast]
    Damage Control II
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
    Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field
    Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
    Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer

    Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
    Large Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II


    Hammerhead II x5
    Warrior II x5
    Vespa EC-600 x5

    With crystals and ganglinks:
    94k EHP, 13k shields
    1049 dps W/ Hammerheads
    about 2000/2500 dps omnitank
    1700m/s

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    And a random sniper mach I have lying arround:

    [Machariel, Sniper Mach]
    True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Signal Amplifier II

    Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
    Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution
    Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
    Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Optimal Range
    Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer, Optimal Range

    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
    [empty high slot]

    Large Targeting System Subcontroller I
    Large Targeting System Subcontroller I
    Large Ionic Field Projector I

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    Re: Machariel

    [Machariel, Guardian Support]

    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
    Heavy Energy Neutralizer II

    100MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
    ECCM - Ladar II
    Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

    Damage Control II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
    Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

    Large Trimark Armor Pump I
    Large Trimark Armor Pump I
    Large Trimark Armor Pump I


    Ogre II x4

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    Re: Machariel

    Quote Originally Posted by Omen Nihilo
    [Machariel, Guardian Support]
    Surely one would fit at least meta4 mods where they're better than T2, and go with an explosive rig if not 3 resists if you're expecting RR. And you're missing 25m3 of drones.
    Quote Originally Posted by QuackBot View Post
    Idk about that, and i'm fucking stupid.

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    Re: Machariel

    Is it ok to buy a mach with Gal BS at 4?

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    Re: Machariel

    Quote Originally Posted by Platypus King
    Is it ok to buy a mach with Gal BS at 4?
    Always.
    Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.

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    Re: Machariel

    What "level of pimpage" is acceptable on a Mach? Take a small gang for example, Mach fitted with an active shield like the fits above. Do you really really benefit from the x-type booster and mwd for the isk? or do you get similar results with say a b-type or even dread guristas etc etc. ?

    I know the stats are greater with more expensive modules in t'old EFT, but Im talking mostly to the veteran mach pilots who have lost one or two here, where is the cut-off point where the extra isk spent isn't worth the performance?

    Or is it even just "pack as much isk into it or gtfo tbh"?

    I already take it Crystals, 30km point, faction gyro's and neut, t2 rigs are an essential...

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    Re: Machariel

    If you're already in crystals, getting the best booster you can afford is probably a reasonable extension to maximize tank.
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