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    I find Porsche besides a few outliers just so horrifically boring its unbelievable. Mostly because there are way too fucking many around.

    I do like the 918 a ton because it's so ridiculous but the rest? Blah. 914 was adorable, i loved the 944 too, but the mainline 911 ranges? Bleh for the most part, at least the modern ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    I find Porsche besides a few outliers just so horrifically boring its unbelievable.
    Did you ever drive one? Preferably on a racetrack?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smegs View Post
    If they stop putting the engine in the wrong fucking place they would make more outstanding cars.
    911 GT2 RS holds a Nordschleife lap record. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smegs View Post
    If they stop putting the engine in the wrong fucking place they would make more outstanding cars.
    911 GT2 RS holds a Nordschleife lap record. Just saying.
    Imagine if they did something utterly unthinkable like perhaps putting as much time and effort (not to mention same engine with the same map) in the cayman....

    We both know they wont as it will hurt their sales of the 911. The GT3 is a great car but damn dude, the cayman would be better, even the engineers within porsche have indicated as much. Beancounters won this battle.

    @ Isyel. if it goes like shit off a shovel and can corner and break with as much aplomb, i couldn't give a rats crusty anus of what it looks like, looks are for posers (as a MK3 MR2 owner,which looks like a frog mid roadkill, i have no shame in that respect).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smegs View Post
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    If they stop putting the engine in the wrong fucking place they would make more outstanding cars.
    911 GT2 RS holds a Nordschleife lap record. Just saying.
    Imagine if they did something utterly unthinkable like perhaps putting as much time and effort (not to mention same engine with the same map) in the cayman....
    981 GT4 exists, you know.



    The Nordschleife records are for production cars. 981 with 991 turbo engine would be rather impractical to drive on the street. Porsche knows they fucked up with the Cayman platform, hence the castrated 718. 2014-2016 NA 981s will quickly become collectable, this is literally the last naturally-aspirated car Porsche has produced (in large enough numbers, since there is 911 R).



      Spoiler:
    Engine positioning is not everything. For example, 911 Carrera and 718 S have exactly the same brakes. 911 is about 100lbs heavier, but it outbrakes the Cayman, due to a larger contact patch and more rear-biased weight distribution. Same with the acceleration, more rear-biased car will accelerate better, because rear bias would load the rear wheels better. Naturally, in turns, any mid-engined setup is better (Cayman has ~20% lower angular momentum of inertia), but good suspension setup and rear-wheel steering would help 911 a lot.

    Cayman "feels" more planted to a regular driver (it also has a longer wheelbase than 911), and it is considerably stiffer that 911 (981 has a stiffer body than a carbon-fiber Aventador), but on a racetrack it all comes down to how much engineers want to push any particular chassis.

    Note that the latest RSR was shifted to a more mid-engined layout mostly for aerodynamic reasons, to accommodate a massive rear diffuser, after the regulation allowed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
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    If they stop putting the engine in the wrong fucking place they would make more outstanding cars.
    911 GT2 RS holds a Nordschleife lap record. Just saying.
    Imagine if they did something utterly unthinkable like perhaps putting as much time and effort (not to mention same engine with the same map) in the cayman....
    981 GT4 exists, you know.



    The Nordschleife records are for production cars. 981 with 991 turbo engine would be rather impractical to drive on the street. Porsche knows they fucked up with the Cayman platform, hence the castrated 718. 2014-2016 NA 981s will quickly become collectable, this is literally the last naturally-aspirated car Porsche has produced (in large enough numbers, since there is 911 R).



      Spoiler:
    Engine positioning is not everything. For example, 911 Carrera and 718 S have exactly the same brakes. 911 is about 100lbs heavier, but it outbrakes the Cayman, due to a larger contact patch and more rear-biased weight distribution. Same with the acceleration, more rear-biased car will accelerate better, because rear bias would load the rear wheels better. Naturally, in turns, any mid-engined setup is better (Cayman has ~20% lower angular momentum of inertia), but good suspension setup and rear-wheel steering would help 911 a lot.

    Cayman "feels" more planted to a regular driver (it also has a longer wheelbase than 911), and it is considerably stiffer that 911 (981 has a stiffer body than a carbon-fiber Aventador), but on a racetrack it all comes down to how much engineers want to push any particular chassis.

    Note that the latest RSR was shifted to a more mid-engined layout mostly for aerodynamic reasons, to accommodate a massive rear diffuser, after the regulation allowed it.

    Very aware of the 981 (which has 911 C derivative engine, slightly different map, and a leggier manual gear box, no pdk allowed due to it then being faster than the 911 C) ... despite the computer generated pic linked. Also 'impractical to drive on the street'... explain. Because it would be interesting hearing how porsche were happy to continue with an entirely 'practical' rear engine layout (and turbo'd to boot) and able to make it work correctly after over 30 years of work and yet will not be able to make the same engine work in a mid layout (just saying there is a bit of arse talk on this one :/ ) and given the RSR is moving the engine towards the correct place it would seem that porsche have seen the woods for the trees as well, despite their claim of (lol) 'aerodynamic improvements'.

    Would quite like to know where you sourced the spoiler info as there are considerable misnomers within that short paragraph. The paragraph seems to be nothing more than advertising blurb as it writes about better breaking on the 911 despite being heavier (good luck defying physics) and an increase in rear bias with a more flexible chassis which somehow aids breaking (which is mostly done by the front wheels and breaks on a flexi chassis as the rears become unloaded) but touts having a 'larger contact patch' like its an after thought. Consider the prius tyres the gt86 was supplied with and then changing to wider AD08R's and then (surprise, surprise) finding that the breaking distance is reduced for the same car.... bit gimmicky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smegs View Post
    Very aware of the 981 (which has 911 C derivative engine, slightly different map, and a leggier manual gear box, no pdk allowed due to it then being faster than the 911 C) ... despite the computer generated pic linked.
    What "computer generated pic"?




    Quote Originally Posted by Smegs View Post
    Also 'impractical to drive on the street'... explain. Because it would be interesting hearing how porsche were happy to continue with an entirely 'practical' rear engine layout (and turbo'd to boot) and able to make it work correctly after over 30 years of work and yet will not be able to make the same engine work in a mid layout
    "Impractical on the street" means that there are cooling and packaging issues in a Cayman chassis. Porsche had a bit of a hard time stuffing a single turbo into 718, despite dropping two cylinders. Twin-turbocharged 3.8L six from 911 simply won't fit without massive body rework, Cayman was not designed for it. Stiffness is also a comfort issue, many folks who bought GT4s in the initial rush have found that it was difficult to drive them every day on regular streets, it was simply too tiring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smegs View Post
    Would quite like to know where you sourced the spoiler info...
    Track testing.

    Do not get me wrong. Both 981 and 991 are excellent cars, they are just different, for different target audiences. 911 is essentially a GT car now, it is much more comfortable and "refined", feels bigger and quieter. 981/718 are more true to the spirit of original Porsches. 911 for the daily commute, 981 for the weekend. (and 718 is for China )

    Little-known fact: the very first Porsche, 356, was mid-engined. Marketing folks then convinced Ferry Porsche that families needed the place to put kids in, so the engine was pushed back. Ferry gave the first mid-engined 356 to his wife as a present.
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    Oh no the evangelist has started.

    Cars are an emotional thing, and my prevalent emotion with Porsche is I don't give a fuck. Much like with audi. And BMW.

    Fucking deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Oh no the evangelist has started.

    Cars are an emotional thing, and my prevalent emotion with Porsche is I don't give a fuck. Much like with audi. And BMW.

    Fucking deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smegs View Post
    Very aware of the 981 (which has 911 C derivative engine, slightly different map, and a leggier manual gear box, no pdk allowed due to it then being faster than the 911 C) ... despite the computer generated pic linked.
    What "computer generated pic"?

    Touche. It certainly looked like an image pulled straight from a computer model.

    But i will disagree that porsche cannot alter the cayman to fit the 3.8 lump considering the aforementioned 30 years of fucking around with the 911 in order to make it not a death trap. Cooling issues can most certainly be overcome (for instance the lotus mounted the A series arse about face in the elise and managed to tame the cooling).

    I do agree that the porsche's are great cars, but i hate the way porsche hamstring the cayman only because it would hurt their 911 sales, despite the fact that it would be faster and a better car if they were to actually allow it to be.
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    To be fair many car companies hamstring cars to protect sales of their flagship vehicles, Merc does it to protect AMG, Bmw did it with their turbo models to protect the M line, Subaru would only provide the engine for the BRZ/FRS if Toyota agreed to no turbos and made it extremely difficult to add them aftermarket to protect STI sales.

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    911's are the best sports cars ever made if you consider the history of sports cars. None other comes close.
    You may not like it, you may think other cars are better, but over time please tell me which "easily" accessible car would trump the 911.

    Anyway, disregard the above and enjoy a TIL I've stolen from reddit:

    TOP FUEL DRAGSTER FAST FACTS:

    ACCELERATION PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE

    One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500.

    Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of nitromethane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes about the same amount of jet fuel with 25% less energy being produced.

    A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to merely drive the dragster's supercharger.

    With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

    At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitromethane, the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.

    Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

    Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

    Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After halfway, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

    If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.

    Dragsters reach over 300 MPH before you have completed reading this sentence.

    In order to exceed 300 MPH in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate an average of over 4 G's. In order to reach 200 MPH well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8 G's.

    Top Fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!

    Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load.

    The redline is actually quite high at 9500 RPM.

    THE BOTTOM LINE: Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once, NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated $1,000 per second.

    The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for the quarter-mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is 333.00 MPH (533 km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03, Doug Kalitta).

    Putting this all into perspective:

    Lets say the you are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter twin turbo-powered Corvette Z06.
    Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged & ready to launch down a quarter-mile strip as you pass by it.
    You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line & pass the dragster at an honest 200 MPH.

    Just as you pass the Top Fuel Dragster the 'tree' goes green for both of you.
    The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within three seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter-mile away from where you just passed him.

    Think about it---from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 MPH and not only caught you, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1,320-foot-long race!

    An example https://youtu.be/U6n28JJAaAo - That is a car that when it takes off sounds like its fired out of a big ass gun!



    edit: Forgot to say happy triggering as I am sure this will cause it.
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    Ive been going to the Super Nationals in English town since I was a kid, if you've never been to an NHRA top fuel drag race I highly recommend it, you can feel the percussion in the very core of your soul. Also bring your girl, she will enjoy the fuck out of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    the sad part is all the time and money spent on a bmw z fucking 3 here

    and not even a z3m

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    It's actually a z4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    It's actually a z4

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    Yeah. It's an E85 though which is slumming it.

    Sadly I have to acknowledge the E89 Z4 is being a pretty good looking car especially compared to the current 3 and 5 series



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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    It was a z4
    fyp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    Sadly I have to acknowledge the E89 Z4 is being a pretty good looking car especially compared to the current 3 and 5 series


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    Rusty autos, with some surprising finds: https://imgur.com/gallery/ESnyW
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