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    Problem is a lot of people think of themselves as the second coming of Ayrton Senna
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    the laps I did at Silverstone in a Ferrari proved I can drive a very powerful car very quickly and be praised for it
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    Cosmin, we love you to bits, but you gotta stop doing this to yourself.
    I too can take stuff out of context and make it sound like shit, thanks teds
    mate they were like a few sentences apart - you can't laugh at drivers thinking they're good and then go onto say how you were praised for how you drove a ferrari

    just bants innit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
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    That is an absolute necessity in some areas. Today in MN was a prime example.
    AWD is not a necessity when there's asphalt involved, even if covered by snow. Today even less so when there are so many systems working on the car to keep the wheels from spinning (that you can also turn off so you can spin them with a purpose ).
    Did you not see my yiff in the yiff thread? Asphalt means nothing when caked in half an inch of ice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
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    That is an absolute necessity in some areas. Today in MN was a prime example.
    AWD is not a necessity when there's asphalt involved, even if covered by snow. Today even less so when there are so many systems working on the car to keep the wheels from spinning (that you can also turn off so you can spin them with a purpose ).
    Did you not see my yiff in the yiff thread? Asphalt means nothing when caked in half an inch of ice.
    TBF AWD is close to useless on smooth ice as well with normal tires, you need spiked tires for grip on ice. AWD helps when your grip is less than ideal (i.e. loose surfaces such as gravel) but is always less important than proper tire choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
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    Problem is a lot of people think of themselves as the second coming of Ayrton Senna
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    the laps I did at Silverstone in a Ferrari proved I can drive a very powerful car very quickly and be praised for it
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    Cosmin, we love you to bits, but you gotta stop doing this to yourself.
    I too can take stuff out of context and make it sound like shit, thanks teds
    mate they were like a few sentences apart - you can't laugh at drivers thinking they're good and then go onto say how you were praised for how you drove a ferrari

    just bants innit
    It's bants but my point was that albeit the instructor told me I did very well I am aware of my own limits - honestly my bum was clenched to nut cracking tension in a curve at 200kph but I'm sure pro drivers can do the exact same thing in the exact same car at 250kph and not be nearly as tense. Sorry for coming across in a different way, wasn't my intention. And for sure as fuck I wouldn't do that on a public road (what I've done was on track with an actual instructor and assists were all on and I still think a bit of poo came out in a certain corner).

    People drive on public roads in a really awful manner and albeit I've had my share of road raging at some I am aware of my own limits and don't try to pretend I'm in an Aston Martin Vulcan on a track whilst driving to work although it has two Ford engines bolted on together under the bonnet the resemblance stops there and I'm not anywhere near a pro driver's level of skill (and I am very much aware of that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
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    That is an absolute necessity in some areas. Today in MN was a prime example.
    AWD is not a necessity when there's asphalt involved, even if covered by snow. Today even less so when there are so many systems working on the car to keep the wheels from spinning (that you can also turn off so you can spin them with a purpose ).
    Did you not see my yiff in the yiff thread? Asphalt means nothing when caked in half an inch of ice.
    See what Overspark said about ice. AWD means absolutely nothing on ice - just like most assists are also useless - for example traction control may prevent you from going up a ramp if it's covered in ice - or so I've been told, haven't experienced that myself but it kind of makes sense.
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    AWD doesn't help on ice unless you have winter tires therefore it's useless on ice FHC 2020

    Thankfully round these parts most people change their tires with the first snow cold.
    Last edited by RazoR; January 1 2020 at 05:50:57 AM.

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    AWD needs traction to work. You also need air to breathe.

    Important safety tip, kids.

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    AWD is better than FWD/RWD in winter. Yes, shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    AWD doesn't help on ice unless you have winter tires therefore it's useless on ice FHC 2020

    Thankfully round these parts most people change their tires with the first snow cold.
    Stud-less winter tires don't work on smooth ice either. They're made primarily for snow and also work on rough icy asphalt that still offers some grip.

    And my main point is that the world is full of idiots who think they can brave any weather because they have AWD while they're using the wrong tires. 2WD with winter tires >>>>>>>>>>> AWD with summer tires in most wintery conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
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    AWD doesn't help on ice unless you have winter tires therefore it's useless on ice FHC 2020

    Thankfully round these parts most people change their tires with the first snow cold.
    Stud-less winter tires don't work on smooth ice either. They're made primarily for snow and also work on rough icy asphalt that still offers some grip.

    And my main point is that the world is full of idiots who think they can brave any weather because they have AWD while they're using the wrong tires. 2WD with winter tires >>>>>>>>>>> AWD with summer tires in most wintery conditions.
    yep, FWD with some sensible driving > AWD's that don't actually know how to drive in shit weather.

    source: live in peak district, snow.

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    How long til "RWD with any tires > idiots in tanks"? :thonk:

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    don't actually know how to drive in shit weather.
    Today, FHC discovers that water is indeed wet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
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    AWD doesn't help on ice unless you have winter tires therefore it's useless on ice FHC 2020

    Thankfully round these parts most people change their tires with the first snow cold.
    Stud-less winter tires don't work on smooth ice either. They're made primarily for snow and also work on rough icy asphalt that still offers some grip.
    You know, one might interpret that sentence as if you think there's no difference between summer tires and winter tires even on smooth ice, which of course would be utter nonsense.

    Good thing no one did that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan Dax View Post
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    AWD doesn't help on ice unless you have winter tires therefore it's useless on ice FHC 2020

    Thankfully round these parts most people change their tires with the first snow cold.
    Stud-less winter tires don't work on smooth ice either. They're made primarily for snow and also work on rough icy asphalt that still offers some grip.
    You know, one might interpret that sentence as if you think there's no difference between summer tires and winter tires even on smooth ice, which of course would be utter nonsense.

    Good thing no one did that.
    There is a difference?

    Don't get me wrong, with all the sarcasm going around here and what not, but I would think there is one, but it's so small it doesn't really count. Winter tyre compound is softer in cold weather than Summer tyre compound, granted, but I would imagine you'd crash just the same if you are driving around and suddenly smooth ice.

    Let me phrase it another way - the conditions and surroundings are exactly the same, is there a marked difference between winter and summer tyres on smooth ice that would prevent a crash? Honest to bits question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
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    AWD doesn't help on ice unless you have winter tires therefore it's useless on ice FHC 2020

    Thankfully round these parts most people change their tires with the first snow cold.
    Stud-less winter tires don't work on smooth ice either. They're made primarily for snow and also work on rough icy asphalt that still offers some grip.
    You know, one might interpret that sentence as if you think there's no difference between summer tires and winter tires even on smooth ice, which of course would be utter nonsense.

    Good thing no one did that.
    There is a difference?

    Don't get me wrong, with all the sarcasm going around here and what not, but I would think there is one, but it's so small it doesn't really count. Winter tyre compound is softer in cold weather than Summer tyre compound, granted, but I would imagine you'd crash just the same if you are driving around and suddenly smooth ice.

    Let me phrase it another way - the conditions and surroundings are exactly the same, is there a marked difference between winter and summer tyres on smooth ice that would prevent a crash? Honest to bits question.
    Oh god yes. The difference is huge in everything from acceleration to stability to braking. In fact studded tyres and winter tyres are closer in performance to each other than summer and winter tyres.

    And by winter tyres I mean the Nordic kind. Continental (not the brand) winter tyres have their own strength and weaknesses and are more designed for wetter conditions than Nordic winter tyres. (But still superiour to summer tyres)

    There's like a million youtube videos on tests like this on everything from hockey rinks to frozen over lakes.


    youtu.be/qH0tPRXKdSI?t=136
    https://youtu.be/V_PqtSlhTDo?t=47
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLVfAj6IpgE
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    Well, Nokian it is next winter, if only it wasn't so warm all the time around here :/ (Midlands)
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    I'm a statistically more boring better driver than any of my peers if comparing total mileage and the number of incidents I was involved in. Driving is fucking boring, people buying high performance road cars are signalling how boring they are. Change my mind.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I'm a statistically more boring better driver than any of my peers if comparing total mileage and the number of incidents I was involved in. Driving is fucking boring, people buying high performance road cars are signalling how boring they are. Change my mind.
    Well I suppose you'd know a thing or two about being boring.

    Hurr people trying to enjoy things, horrible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I'm a statistically more boring better driver than any of my peers if comparing total mileage and the number of incidents I was involved in. Driving is fucking boring, people buying high performance road cars are signalling how boring they are. Change my mind.
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    If you enjoy driving go racing.
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