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    so, they stuck a 30mm Bushmaster II in a updated turret with better stabilization and sensors, the rest is just wank.
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    Still with 30 mm gun.
    The Northrop Grumman 50mm chain gun is now the new gun against which everything else will be measured.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Speaking of the Stryker:



    30mm Bushmaster, first vehicles in service with the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Still with 30 mm gun.
    The Northrop Grumman 50mm chain gun is now the new gun against which everything else will be measured.

    no, it is not, that is still the 40mm/L70 and the 2A42.
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    Surely the benchmark gun is a 88mm flak cannon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Surely the benchmark gun is a 88mm flak cannon.
    not a autocannon.

    the 40mm/L70 is/was used by basically everybody both as a AA gun and a general purpose autocannon, and it's hard to find a russian piece of hardware that doesn't have some variant of the 2A42 on it making them the benchmark candidates imo.
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    2A42 no longer suits the main IFV armament niche. They first tried with BMP-3 but that armament module is a gigantic powderbox (same as the merry-go-round autoloader but even less protected) so there are projects of 57mm going around.



    Not holding my breath tho.
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    Is there no market segment for light tanks (15-30 tons) with 40-75mm cannons?
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    What is this, the fifties?




    There is very little 40-75 can do that either autocannons or tank guns can not. As long as your IFV autocannon can defeat enemy IFV it's all good and even then your primary need is volume of fire for soft targets or unfortunate helicopters.
    Besides you can strap an ATGM on, something soviets realized full two decades before anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Is there no market segment for light tanks (15-30 tons) with 40-75mm cannons?
    Not really when any pleb with an ATGM can wreck your expensive toy like it's nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Is there no market segment for light tanks (15-30 tons) with 40-75mm cannons?
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    Until fairly recently Singapore had a few modernized AMX-13 in use. Similarly, Bolivia still has a couple dozen SK-105 Kürassiers. Maybe some similar stuff still knocking about in Africa.

    Cuba still using the PT-76. Philippines has about a dozen M113 with old FV101 (Scorpion) turrets with 76mm guns slapped on top - stretching the specificity of 'tank', I know.

    So there's still some legacy equipment bashing about places but no, probably not so much anything like a 'market'.

    Between the evolution in technology and the hard limits of physics, go big or go home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Is there no market segment for light tanks (15-30 tons) with 40-75mm cannons?
    Not really when any pleb with an ATGM can wreck your expensive toy like it's nothing.
    Wouldn't a single spent ATGM pay for a whole day on a range w/ an auto-cannon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by halka View Post
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    Is there no market segment for light tanks (15-30 tons) with 40-75mm cannons?
    Not really when any pleb with an ATGM can wreck your expensive toy like it's nothing.
    Wouldn't a single spent ATGM pay for a whole day on a range w/ an auto-cannon?
    we're not in the era of trench warfare anymore, sustained cost efficiency is massively less important than initial purchase price and lethalty.
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    Nobody will spent a Javeline 100k a pop in asymmetric warfare. Say hello to Carl Gustaf M4 3k a pop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Nobody will spent a Javeline 100k a pop in asymmetric warfare. Say hello to Carl Gustaf M4 3k a pop.
    Except they have been freely roaming great parts of syria for years now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Nobody will spent a Javeline 100k a pop in asymmetric warfare. Say hello to Carl Gustaf M4 3k a pop.
    You really don't want to take on MBT's armed with RPG's. IFV's and other lightly armoured stuff sure but not MBT's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan Dax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Nobody will spent a Javeline 100k a pop in asymmetric warfare. Say hello to Carl Gustaf M4 3k a pop.
    You really don't want to take on MBT's armed with RPG's. IFV's and other lightly armoured stuff sure but not MBT's.
    you're underestimating the lethality of a Gustaf by a fair margin here, the FFV751 has a decent chance of getting a frontal kill on a T90 according to the rumour mill and both it, and it's older companions, the FFV651 and FFV551 are lethal to anything on the field side on.

    the problem with the Gustaf is the same as it's always been, it's overpressure means it's basically incapacitating the gunner for a couple of seconds and repeated firings (we're talking past 20 a day) can literately lead to internal injuries, and the shell moves at a fairly sedate phase, even the rocket assisted ones, but when you're throwing warheads that big down range from something fired from the shoulder, compromises has to be made.

    taking on MBT's with Gustavs, or even disposable launchers is not only doable, it's done quite regularly, it's all about picking the right place to do it.
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post

    taking on MBT's with Gustavs, or even disposable launchers is not only doable, it's done quite regularly, it's all about picking the right place to do it.
    I'm an infantry man mind you and I've fired dozens of fully loaded dummy charges, smoke charges and illumination rounds with the Gustav and I have to say, the overpressure thing is exaggerated. It's worse for the guy next to you. Anyway.

    We didn't have the dual tandem stuff back in my day and were discouraged from engaging MBT's with their reactive armour unless in a city environment (and never head on) since hitting a moving target at 300m was difficult enough for some. 3 hits on a target to ensure a kill was the doctrine.

    Standard procedure if we came across MBT's we: 1. Tossed out mines. Each platoon had 20 anti tank mines. 2. Call in the guys with the Bills or 3. Get hold of the battalion arty to toss over some STRIX's with their 12 cm's grenade launchers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan Dax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post

    taking on MBT's with Gustavs, or even disposable launchers is not only doable, it's done quite regularly, it's all about picking the right place to do it.
    I'm an infantry man mind you and I've fired dozens of fully loaded dummy charges, smoke charges and illumination rounds with the Gustav and I have to say, the overpressure thing is exaggerated. It's worse for the guy next to you. Anyway.

    We didn't have the dual tandem stuff back in my day and were discouraged from engaging MBT's with their reactive armour unless in a city environment (and never head on) since hitting a moving target at 300m was difficult enough for some. 3 hits on a target to ensure a kill was the doctrine.

    Standard procedure if we came across MBT's we: 1. Tossed out mines. Each platoon had 20 anti tank mines. 2. Call in the guys with the Bills or 3. Get hold of the battalion arty to toss over some STRIX's with their 12 cm's grenade launchers.
    was a MG ammo monkey when i active in the home guard, the gustaf team where kinda like that weird slightly creepy uncle, nice to have around but best kept well away from he rest of the group. there was a theory going around the company that repeated firings did something funny to people's brains, as those two had been doing that role for nigh on 15 years at that point and apparently it had never stopped escalating, with a noticable trend towards getting worse after yearly live fire practice.

    besides, we're home guard, all we've got it what we carry and a radio to call in the army, so everybody not burdened down by a squad heavy weapon of some sort or the radios got to train with AT-4's quite regularly, suffice to say the prospect of taking on armor in a build up area is a lot less daunting than it seems at first, even with a puny disposable launcher, and everything worth assigning home guard units to protect is either in build up areas, or surrounded by woods to some extend.
    Viking, n.:
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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