[Bay Area, California] Richmond Oil Refinery On Fire

[Idara]

Nuclear is the only reasonable way forward, outside of burning more coal.

WHY DO YOU HATE GREEN ENERGY

[Liare]

Nuclear is the only reasonable way forward, outside of burning more coal.

WHY DO YOU HATE GREEN ENERGY

firstly because it's not green, never was.

secondly because its all handwaving and smokes and mirrors without considering what the ultimate effects are, there's now 7 billion people on this planet, if we are going to provide enough power for all of them to live what we would consider a "comfortable life style" here in the west (ie, jettison the whole "consumerism" as the incredibly wasteful and unimaginably pointless construct it is) there's not going to be enough to go around without building more nuclear plants.

i would expect them to be placed in relatively safe areas, with strict running times and the kind of oversight reserved for nuclear weaponry.

the biggest danger there is with "going nuclear" is when "we suck bollocks power co." decides to cut costs on their aging reactor facilities by lowering safety or running them beyond their designed and projected lifespan.

[F*** My Aunt Rita]

inb4 thorium

[Liare]

inb4 thorium

do we even have viable Thorium reactors yet ?

[Kransthow]

inb4 thorium

do we even have viable Thorium reactors yet ?

yes

[Idara]

Nuclear is the only reasonable way forward, outside of burning more coal.

WHY DO YOU HATE GREEN ENERGY

firstly because it's not green, never was.

secondly because its all handwaving and smokes and mirrors without considering what the ultimate effects are, there's now 7 billion people on this planet, if we are going to provide enough power for all of them to live what we would consider a "comfortable life style" here in the west (ie, jettison the whole "consumerism" as the incredibly wasteful and unimaginably pointless construct it is) there's not going to be enough to go around without building more nuclear plants.

i would expect them to be placed in relatively safe areas, with strict running times and the kind of oversight reserved for nuclear weaponry.

the biggest danger there is with "going nuclear" is when "we suck bollocks power co." decides to cut costs on their aging reactor facilities by lowering safety or running them beyond their designed and projected lifespan.

But it's free sunshine energy or wind energy.

Nucular is the devil and kills kittens.

It makes no sense to switch from fossil fuels to nuclear until we get other technology up and running. We should use all our fossils up so that we can't use it for other uses that require oil etc.

[AmaNutin]

But it's free sunshine energy or wind energy.

Nucular is the devil and kills kittens.

It makes no sense to switch from fossil fuels to nuclear until we get other technology up and running. We should use all our fossils up so that we can't use it for other uses that require oil etc.

Sensing sarcasm.
In defense of trying to preserve our fossil fuel supplies: it is proven that we are having a decline in the petrol that is being found in deposits, and while we might like driving and cheap ways to produce energy (coal plants), the petrol should be prioritized for jetliners and other massive transports - once the fuel runs out, we won't have the same access to rapid travel until we find alternative fuels for jets.

[Idara]

I can't troll very well.

I can't remember where/who it's from but fossil fuels are needed for a whole whack of industrial processes and products outside of just burning the shit for fuel in cars/planes etc.

Easing the use of oil etc for power generation and hopefully moving away from using it in cars means there's more left for those other uses.

And fuck off if anyone says electric cars nowadays, until the majority of power is from nuclear/hydro, you're still using fossil fuels to power your hipstermobile.

[AmaNutin]

I can't troll very well.

I can't remember where/who it's from but fossil fuels are needed for a whole whack of industrial processes and products outside of just burning the shit for fuel in cars/planes etc.

Easing the use of oil etc for power generation and hopefully moving away from using it in cars means there's more left for those other uses.

And fuck off if anyone says electric cars nowadays, until the majority of power is from nuclear/hydro, you're still using fossil fuels to power your hipstermobile.

I'd gladly learn to stick to public transit to get long distances and take an electrical car for urban settings.

[evil edna]

snoop dogg joke

[Loire]

I can't troll very well.

I can't remember where/who it's from but fossil fuels are needed for a whole whack of industrial processes and products outside of just burning the shit for fuel in cars/planes etc.

Easing the use of oil etc for power generation and hopefully moving away from using it in cars means there's more left for those other uses.

And fuck off if anyone says electric cars nowadays, until the majority of power is from nuclear/hydro, you're still using fossil fuels to power your hipstermobile.

Things made with oil:

Agriculture
• plastic ties
• row cover
• irrigation piping
• polyethylene
• polypropylene
• bags and packaging
• pesticides and herbicides
• food preservatives
• fertilizers

Clothing and Textiles
• ballet tights
• nylon cord
• everything polyester: blouses, pants, pajamas etc.
• everything permanent press: shirts, dresses etc.
• beads
• bracelets
• pantyhose
• nylon zippers
• plastic hangers
• purses
• thongs and flip flops
• earrings
• ribbons
• fake fur
• windbreakers
• sandals
• garment bags
• shoe laces
• rain coats
• iron-on patches
• sneakers
• sweaters
• sofa pillow material• tote bags
• umbrellas

Around the Office
• ball point pens
• diskettes
• thermometer
• Ink
• computers
• business card holders
• copiers
• waste baskets
• calculators
• printer cartridges
• microfilm
• name tags
• binders
• erasers
• rulers
• scotch tape
• magic markers
• telephones

Sports, Hobbies and Games
• backpacks
• fishing lures
• air mattresses
• cameras
• beach balls
• fishing poles
• hang gliders
• vinyl cases
• footballs
• glue containers
• puzzles
• darts
• Frisbees
• golf ball and golf bags
• shotgun shells
• ear plugs
• knitting needles• waterproof clothing
• stadium cushions
• earphones
• yarn
• kites
• tennis racquets
• fabric dye
• decoys
• lifejackets
• nylon strings
• face protectors
• volley balls
• model cars
• plastic water guns
• fishing bobbers
• soccer balls
• oil paints
• parachutes
• fishing cylume
• light sticks
• earphones
• playing cards
• photographs
• monofilament fishing lines
• diving boards
• poker chips
• goggles
• rollerskate and skateboard wheels
• whistles
• guitar strings
• picks
• rafts
• ice chests
• tents
• sleeping bags
• pole vaulting poles
• motorcycle helmets
• skis, water skis
• rubber cement
• plastic flowerpots
• hot tub covers
• sails
• snorkels• monkey bars
• photo albums
• wet suits
• flippers
• tennis balls
• boats
• insulated boots

Infants and Children
• acrylic toys
• baby oil
• laundry baskets
• waterproof pants
• baby aspirin
• bath soap
• mittens
• pacifiers
• baby blankets
• bibs
• rattles
• doubleknit shirts
• baby bottles
• disposable diapers
• baby shoes
• teething rings
• nipples and binkies
• dolls
• stuffed animals
• baby lotion

Sports, Hobbies and Games
• allergy medication
• cotton-tipped swabs
• inhalers
• liquid Pepto-Bismol
• aspirin
• first aid cream
• lancets
• pill cases
• band aids
• first aid kits• latex gloves
• prescription bottles
• burn lotion
• glycerin
• mosquito spray
• rubbing alcohol
• chap stick
• heart valve replacement
• nasal decongestant
• surgical tape
• syringes
• Vaseline
• antiseptics
• hearing aids
• anesthetics
• artificial limbs
• eyeglasses and sunglasses
• antihistamines
• cortisone
• vaporizers
• denture adhesives
• laxatives
• Bactine
• oxygen masks
• stethoscopes
• prescription glasses
• cough syrup
• hearing aids

Kitchen and Household
• vinegar bottles
• egg cartons
• meat trays
• trash bags
• breadboxes
• freezer containers
• melamine dishware
• tumblers
• cake decorations
• jars
• microwave dishes
• utensils• candles
• freezer bags
• milk jugs
• vacuum bottles
• coasters
• gelatin molds
• nylon spatulas
• wax paper
• coffee pots
• ice cream scoops
• oven bags
• mops
• drinking cups
• ice trays
• plastic containers
• fabric softener
• detergent bottles
• plastic table service
• drain stoppers
• dish drainers
• lunch boxes
• pudding molds
• sponges
• dish scrubbers
• brushes
• baggies
• drinking straws
• Styrofoam
• paper cup dispensers
• measuring cups
• Teflon coated pans
• table cloths
• refrigerator shelves

Beauty
• cologne
• hair brushes
• lipstick
• permanent wave curlers
• perfume
• hair color
• mascara• petroleum jelly
• comb
• foam rubber curlers
• shampoo
• contact lenses and cases
• hair spray
• hand lotion
• shaving foam
• hair dryers
• shoe inserts
• dentures
• body lotion
• face masks
• skin cleanser
• deodorants
• moisturizing cream
• soap holders
• disposable razors
• leather conditioner
• mouthwash
• sunglasses
• facial toner
• lens cleanser
• nail polish
• sunscreen
• tooth brushes
• toothpaste tubes
• vitamins
• synthetic wigs
• bubble bath
• soap capsules

Furnishings
• carpet padding
• Naugahyde
• Venetian blinds
• TV cabinets
• extension cords
• picture frames
• flocked wallpaper
• shower doors
• Formica• refrigerator lining
• vinyl wallpaper
• curtains
• kitchen carpet
• shag carpet
• welcome mats
• fan blades
• lamps
• shower curtain
• patio furniture
• swings
• linoleum
• upholstery
• rugs

Building and Home
• caulking material
• light switch plates
• plungers
• faucet washers
• clotheslines
• measuring tape
• polyurethane stain
• water pipes
• electric saws
• paintbrushes
• propane bottles
• wood floor cleaner/wax
• vinyl electrical tape
• plastic pipe
• shingles (asphalt)
• light panels
• garden hoses
• plastic wood spackling paste
• awnings
• glazing compound
• Plexiglas
• spray paint
• enamel
• epoxy paint
• artificial turf
• folding doors• floor wax
• glue
• house paint
• paint rollers
• toilet seats
• water pipes
• putty
• solvents
• roofing material
• plywood adhesive
• sockets
• propane

Automotive
• antifreeze
• flat tire fix
• street paving (asphalt)
• car battery cases
• coolant
• motor oil
• tires
• loud speakers
• bearing grease
• sports car bodies
• traffic cones
• car enamel
• brake fluid
• dashboards
• windshield wipers
• visors
• car sound insulation
• oil filters
• car seats
• convertible tops
• fan belts
• gasoline

Miscellaneous
• ash trays
• dog food dishes
• toolboxes• CDs and DVDs
• balloons
• dog leashes
• tape recorders
• synthetic rubber
• bubble gum
• dog toys
• flashlights
• nylon ropes
• bungee straps
• flight bags
• disposable lighters
• cassette player
• flea collars
• flutes
• lighter fluid
• cigarette cases
• electric blankets
• tool racks
• name tags
• cigarette filters
• ammonia
• newspaper tubes
• calibrated containers
• insect repellent
• phonograph records (vinyl)
• crayons
• ice buckets
• dyes
• pillows
• credit cards
• flashlights
• fly swatters
• plastic cup holders
• dice
• movie and camera film
• k-resin
• rain bonnets
• luggage
• video cassettes
• charcoal lighter
• rayon
• safety glasses, gloves, hats• shoe polish
• signs
• cassette tapes
• toys
• watch bands
• waterproof boots
• shopping bags
• bedspreads
• checkbooks
• covers
• tobacco pouches
• clothes hangers
• flea collars
• flavors
• masking tape
• safety flares
• flags
• butane

[Liare]

I can't troll very well.

I can't remember where/who it's from but fossil fuels are needed for a whole whack of industrial processes and products outside of just burning the shit for fuel in cars/planes etc.

Easing the use of oil etc for power generation and hopefully moving away from using it in cars means there's more left for those other uses.

And fuck off if anyone says electric cars nowadays, until the majority of power is from nuclear/hydro, you're still using fossil fuels to power your hipstermobile.

your problem, young padawan is that your position is falling into the uncanny valley, its not unreasonable enough to be completely retarded, and its not reasonable enough to pass the "he just bought into the "nuclear power eats kitten" idiocy from the green party" test.

[Warmenhoven]

True, they don't have the same immediate waste, but disposing of used fuel rods/nuclear waste has been the ongoing issue with the power plants.

sorry for replying late, you have a valid point here but think of it this way: is it harder to keep the waste of a coal plant out of the environment or a nuclear reactor?

[dpidcoe]

then consider the sun does not shine at night, and that the wind does not always blow.

In southern california, peak demand is almost always associated with more AC running during the hottest parts of the day, so rooftop solar makes some sense as peak demand is generally accompanied by peak sun. (although I do agree that nuclear is really the best long term solution for now)


As far as that fire goes, it looks pretty tame compared to the wildfires we've been having every few years around the san diego area. We're probably due for another big one either this year or next.

[AmaNutin]

True, they don't have the same immediate waste, but disposing of used fuel rods/nuclear waste has been the ongoing issue with the power plants.

sorry for replying late, you have a valid point here but think of it this way: is it harder to keep the waste of a coal plant out of the environment or a nuclear reactor?

My argument is not regarding coal waste vs nuclear waste. My point in that statement was that nuclear waste has long-term consequences that requires it be disposed of in a much more technical manner.

It isn't the same issue with coal plants.

It's because coal plants are cheap to operate and contribute to hydrocarbon/CO2 levels. If you have interests in reducing the chances for droughts or extreme weather, it makes sense that we should try to reverse our CO2 growth rather than lowering our input on an annual basis and not attempting to find out where the system for regulating the global climate will break.

[Katamarino]

Thank god it wasn't one of ours. Although apparently Greenpeace or some similar gang of loonies are planning to take a road trip to one my my wells this weekend and shut it down.

[Helen]

True, they don't have the same immediate waste, but disposing of used fuel rods/nuclear waste has been the ongoing issue with the power plants.

sorry for replying late, you have a valid point here but think of it this way: is it harder to keep the waste of a coal plant out of the environment or a nuclear reactor?

My argument is not regarding coal waste vs nuclear waste. My point in that statement was that nuclear waste has long-term consequences that requires it be disposed of in a much more technical manner.

It isn't the same issue with coal plants.

It's because coal plants are cheap to operate and contribute to hydrocarbon/CO2 levels. If you have interests in reducing the chances for droughts or extreme weather, it makes sense that we should try to reverse our CO2 growth rather than lowering our input on an annual basis and not attempting to find out where the system for regulating the global climate will break.

Except global warming is a myth.

[Varcaus]

Thank god it wasn't one of ours. Although apparently Greenpeace or some similar gang of loonies are planning to take a road trip to one my my wells this weekend and shut it down.

Guns mate have them.

[Katamarino]

I'm confident our security have it under control

[Evelgrivion]

The real solution is to close the $80 billion (give or take, depending on the development time chosen) gap towards commercializing Nuclear Fusion tbh.