Yup. Read it last night before bed.
Up to Ch10 in PH.
Writing is getting really good.
Tbh. I don't know should "Grimdark sa Fuck" really be applied here (And even more so in pure FoE). That makes one expect nearly parody levels of grimdark, like 40k at its most cheesy. Stories are dark and depressing and protagonists go trough Really Bad Shit... but I really feel that Grimdark tag has been devalued and turned into mockery and isn't really in place here.
PS. I'm still ages away from meeting the entire cast of PH, but I know who they are... And oh God now that is pure grimdark trolling in announcement, when Alicorn is nearly the most sane member of the group, and when certain bomb blows up, BJ & co have to deal with one more of them going mental. Welcome to Blackjacks posse, no sane ponies allowed!
Last edited by dzajic; August 13 2012 at 03:22:32 PM.
Oh you gentleman misunderstood me. I never said FoE and PH aren't "grimdark as fuck" I just wanted to say that most of grimdark in fiction and especially fanfiction is over the top, heavy handed and ending up cheesy. And that FoE and PH are of sufficient literary quality to be ways above simple "grimdark" moniker. You wouldn't degrade "All quite on the western front" by calling it simply "grindark", would you?
That was a damn good fight! Anyone know the source on the song? Is it original or modified for PH, as I can't seam to google up anything other than back to PH.Oh they shoulda just sent the whiskey
When they saw the trouble coming,
Oh they shoulda just sent the whiskey!
Then they wouldn’t be a-running.
Times are tough and things are bad
So why be dumb and risky?
When you see the trouble come,
Ya better just send the whiskey!
Now, I hear wine is mighty fine
It makes you feel so frisky!
But trouble’s come, so get er done
And don’t forget the whiskey!
Oh you shoulda just sent the whiskey,
When ya heard that troubles coming
Oh you shoulda just sent the whiskey
Then all this woulda been nothing!
Now vodka grows from winter snows
That make you cold and shivery!
But that icy bite just don’t feel right
So best send me a whiskey!
Oh you shoulda just sent the whiskey
When you knew that I was coming!
Oh you shoulda just sent the whiskey
Then you wouldn’t get a thumping!
Times are rough and things are bad
But don’t you get sad and weepy!
When you know that I’m a coming
Just send me your whiskey!
Edit xyz. Trivial update. On to Ch14. Still so very good and occasionally so very awesome.
Last edited by dzajic; August 16 2012 at 11:57:35 PM.
Blackjack is the queen of music as well as whiskey
“When I was a little filly and the lights would turn down looo-o-ow. *
The darkness and the shadows would make my fear grooo-o-ow.
I’d hide under my bed from what I thought I saw
But Gin Rummy said that wasn’t the way to deal with threats at all!”
“She’d say: Blackjack, you need to stand strong,
Lower your center of maaa-a-ass
You’ll see that they can’t hurt you
If you cut them off with a paaa-a-ass!
Chop up all the ghosties!
Tear up all the grossly!
Glare up at the creepy!
Smash up any weepy!
Kick out at the kooky!
Slice up all the spooky!
“And cut that big dumb scary face and kick him hard in the throat if he won’t leave you alone and if he comes at you again then he’s got another think coming and the very idea of him hurting you just wanna… hee hee HAHAHAHAHA!”
Ok fuck Somber. I'll keep reading for a while longer, but as far as I'm concerned PH isn't canon in FoE.
Sad thing is I'm going to keep reading. Yeah its starting to pile grimdark and shades of gray (all near black, but still shades of gray) to the point where really present writing quality is being drowned out by the "everyone is a miserable victim, even those responsible for most of it".
Edit. Fuck I have to keep ranting, I'm just too angry at Somber at wasting great writing skills on bullshit.
Last edited by dzajic; August 20 2012 at 04:07:15 PM.
Yah, I'm less inclined to read PH even more now. I liked how in FoE, even at their lowest, you still empathized with the mane six. It sounds like Somber is just twisted.
Everyone has a reason
Both rarity and the doctor have their reasons, even though they do absolutely horrid things they never do it just "cause i felt like it", and the knowlage that they (and you as a reader) have of the really bad shit only underlines the sadness of their motivations
The entire book is a epitome to "the end justifies the means", or a century-spanning story about losing yourself in the darkest pits of atrocity for the best of reasons
There is "ends justify the means" and "winning the war at all costs" and than there is forging consent for most gruesome medical procedures and hiding the deaths of innocent personal when your experiments run lose. And that is still among the least of his sins from back when law and order still existed and he was still a living pony. Rarity doing bad shit... we know just how tempting Black Book is (being Necronomicon, Untersprachiliche Kulten and Pankopic Manuscripts all rolled into one). Dear Doctor is a honest to god murderous sociopath with no justification for that. Oh he wanted to create war wining weapons for Luna at all costs. I'm just wondering how is it that Goldenblood was only one for arrested for treason after Luna (and likely Pinkie) discovered all the bad shit going under OIA. Though by that time most of top of Equestrian government and industry were deserving to be lined up and shot (yes including M6), either for criminal negligence and incompetence, treason or for simply being sadistic murderous fucks. Ofc than the bombs fell and punishment was delivered.
And considering that GBs fate is still unknown. And wiki says nothing. He's the main bad guy and he's on the moon. Luno Astro Stable 2, likely re-purposed and finished construction under the name of Project Horizons. Its the freaking title of the fic people, can't be more obvious that that. Though he could have created a portal to Cthulu land and made a bolthole there, with dimensional gate being beneath Core. That could nicely explain the enervation fields.
Big line break here. PH really takes the prewar story in a completely different direction. In FoE you scream at them for missing huge important things and making lethal mistakes, but that was greatest part of what made FoE such great tragedy story. Everyone was doing their best with the best of intentions... and it still lead nearly inevitably to Armageddon. In PH everyone's making deals with the devil and shutting their ears and eyes while chanting "ends justify the means". IMHO ofc, just and always imho.
Last edited by dzajic; August 20 2012 at 07:05:48 PM.
Dzajc - just read the story, you're wrecking the piss out of it by basically cliff noting it on a wiki :P
There have been parts of the storywhere I got all depressed and was like "wtf is this srsly why are we even doing this this story is fucking awful oh god make it stop" and then you look back and parts of it made sense. I re-read all the chapters up to Trueblood at least half a dozen times at my old job and in my free time just to pass the time (I have it on my ipad).
Theres a whole pile of sneaky stuff that makes literally no sense the first time, but reading it back over having read the later chapters you think to yourself "holy shit this makes a HUGE amount of sense and explains some stuff I had no idea about."
Lots of stuff somber writes at the time makes no sense, but I have faith in him(her? still not sure if we are to refer to somber by his human or projected pony gender) to wrap up the story in a compelling way. Somber's done an excellent job of putting things together so far, and everything will eventually make sense and start to tie itself up.
I am a Lamborghini tractor.
We all know what curiosity does to cats and impatient readers. Meh... I read tons of critical spoilers for FoE and still enjoyed it greatly. Hopefully same will work with PH. Done with my SQL chores for today, off to see/read BJ return to 99 and for stuff to happen.
Also... I was under illusion/expectations that Lacunea was going to be most stable member of the group. So much lol. And so we all wait for certain bomb in certain place to go off, so one more member of BJs gang can go even more broken/insane than they currently are.
Edit. Not spoilerish as is pure speculation on my part. While it would ruin or undermine some key aspects of story, "people just being people"... it would be a great relief and a explenation of everyone going full retard if we learn there really is Cthulhu or corpse of Cthulhu buried under Hoofington. Because forget the enervation fields, even without it that city and entire area around it really looks to have been cursed for a looooong time
So that Chapter 22
Edit 3. Ch26
Non spoiler question. Does enough meaningful stuff happen in next 25 chapters? Because I constantly see people complaining that PH got infected with Bleech or DBZ levels of filler?
Last edited by dzajic; August 25 2012 at 03:13:49 PM.
Isn't he rewriting early chapters? I know 1 and 2 have been rewritten.
How can you say no updates when latest ch. went up 15 days ago?
I've gotten over dark and darker and everything worstest thing about PH. Writing still manages to make up for it.
Though ... as more and more deep secret plot is revealed... yep, the feeling I had when I first heard about PH, its coming back to annoy me. Having a OC character (GB) so ridiculously involved in everything and crucial to everything is putting tension on suspension of disbelief. Great evil (or gray) masterminds are a cheap plot device that is very difficult to pull off without too much cheese. And cheese is last thing PH needed, but otoh "Love, loyalty and secrets" is pure cheese and ham... very large ham.
Forgot to mention in above multiedited post, Somber really likes to punch old wounds. We already had enough info to know that even the "monsters" were victims. But finding about Doofus? And reading Stonewing's farewell letter. It hurts dude.
I'm jelly. Keeping my eye open for the next run.