Increasing sensor strength is pretty useful against dishonour drones
Am on page 25, just posting to say Two Step is a whiney-annoying-wont-shut-up bitch at this point
"He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Tor. Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!"
And I think it depends on the size of the engagement for how important a command ship is relative to other ships on the field, in small-med size gangs I'd say Logi and recons are just as important if not more. In larger fights mayhaps you have a point. In very large fleet fights the links would be spread around super caps and sub-caps would be getting alpha'd regardless of bonuses.
Fix one problem at a time. Got the boosters on grid first, if they drop like flies then you fix them.
I actually worked out the numbers on this a Damnation with 10 boosted Logis repping will tank 42.5k DPS while having a 367k buffer. Assuming two 100 man fleets with 10% logi and 5% non-DPS support the remaining 85 pilots would need to do 500 DPS to break the tank that's real DPS after adjusting for falloff, tracking and Sig size (265m for a Damnation). Throw in an AB and X-Instinct and incoming DPS will reduce further. Which is why in the time I flew a Damnation in 0.0 with Razor I never lost one.
You fought bads.
I think the way to go about it would be to give command ships better boosting boni, better tanks and less offensive power, while giving T3's the ability to boost off-grid with less effect (plus the option to run more than its racial specific links) than it's command ship counterpart - and then nerf the whole 'unprobable booster thing' into the ground somehow. People should be rewarded for putting 400m BC-hulls on grid for a fight and NOT rewarded (as much) for parking a T3 alt on afk for the duration of the engagement... even if you (once in a blue moon and provided the guy isn't checking for probes at any time within the 5 minutes it takes) can scan it down with virtues. As for the whole "OMG ongrid boosting will make people blob MORE!"-argument, I think it's a crock of shit. People are already blobbing up for the tiniest of kills - and forcing gangs to bring a command ship instead isn't gonna change that in any significant way.
Redistributing the link boni properly between races makes good sense though (gallente link boni are ridiculous compared to the others), and/or only letting the links affect hulls of the corresponding race could be an idea to limit the effect of links on gang composition?
Also, while I appreciate the boosting alts' ability allowing small gangs to take on hordes of retards, the scale and spectrum of fights people are bringing links for is getting fucking ridiculous. I have droves of link alts in my address book because everyone and their fckin mother are bringing them to a fight. I have a guy in there who consistently won't fight with his nano'ed out rail rax without those uber-skirmish and 40+wtf point range links being firmly in place... Exactly how is that helping ANY people getting good fites (except for the thorax guy! )?
M8, medium rails need all the help they can get, they're useless.
Switching the bonuses between CS and T3s should be the first step. Then CCP can see how it pans out, whether more people start to use fleet CS etc... and go from there. I think making a radical change like stopping off-grid boosting before testing a much simpler and more logical balance fix isn't very wise.
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What about a significantly degraded off-grid deal; so it's available, but not quite the same delicious option?
I.E. Bonus provided by CS links is degraded to 33% compared to being on grid.
Then if you risk it, you get the bonus.
With virtues you probe them surprisingly fast.
Before making major gameplay changes, some numbers tinkering should be the first port of call and then if that has little effect more radical solutions can be considered.
A fair compromise would be to remove off-grid links completely because the whole idea is fucking retarded. Getting a boost from something nowhere near the fight, and possibly completely invulnerable inside a POS needs to stop, I can't believe people are trying to argue that it should exist in any form. I'm sorry if people's dedicated link alts will no longer be useful unless they're adapted for use on grid but shit happens.
It should not be "Tech 2 Command Ship needs to be on grid, while Tech 3 Strat Cruiser can be out in fuck-off land lalalalala-ing about."
If you're going to implement a compromise to the undesired (I.E. the bit they addressed, which is... why the fuck are they off-grid to begin with), then that's the effect that needs to be addressed. If you want to fix the disparity between T2 and T3's, then that should be addressed, but in a different fashion.
Doesn't mean the changes cannot happen at the same time; however, if the behaviour is decided to be "against the flavor of the game", then it really doesn't matter what hull you do it in, you're still doing it. Which means you can forbid it outright, or provide enough of a drawback for continuing on that you obtain the desired behaviour.
If you want to fix the disparity between T3 and CS's, then fix it.
If you want to correct a trend in behaviour, then fix that.
Don't try to fix them both with some supercalafragalistic change that doesn't change shit, just changes what people buy and train on their alts.
Swapping the Command Ship & Tech 3 Bonuses around would be a good start. Combine that with stopping boosting from POSes, and you would be golden, at least for a first iteration.