[Devblog] CSM Meeting Minutes - Summer 2012

[QuackBot]

The seventh CSM and CCP had their first scheduled summit from 30th of May to 1st of June, 2012. A wide variety of topics were discussed during the summit in Reykjavik, and the table of contents is listed below. The full meeting minutes can be found here: http://www.eveonline.com/council/tra..._June_2012.pdf
Summit Sessions:

• CSM: Introduction and White Paper Discussions
• What is a Stakeholder?
• Winter 2012 Wxpansion
• EVE Future
• The State of Incarna
• Live Events
• Industry and Mining
• Starbase Rework
• EVE/DUST Link
• EVE UI
• Null sec
• Corporation Management
• War Decs and Crimewatch
• Player Experience - Launcher
• Factional Warfare
• Art
• Ship Balance and Iteration
• 'Player to Player Contracts' (Feature Working Title)
• Content
• Security
• (New) Player Experience
• EVE Economy

Some notes:
As you can see by downloading the meeting minutes, they were no small undertaking. The Seventh Council decided to change the format to increase visibility and accountability of their representation, and the page count rose to meet their commitment (165). CCP would like to thank the CSM for their tireless work in this endeavor and for the considerable effort put into preparation for the summit and communication of its results afterwards. The format will be further refined for future meeting minutes.
Please feel free to place your comments in the related thread. It will be monitored both by CCP and the CSM.
Theorycrafting, tinfoilhattery, speculation and all such activities are to be expected and even praised, but until something is deployed to the Tranquility server, please keep in mind it could quickly vanish into nothingness not unlike the pebble-sized meteor trails when entering Earth's atmosphere. With that, may the discussion of these minutes commence!
On a related note, thanks in advance for your patience of our possible silence on future plans--the NDA is a terrifying, un-nerfable overpowered NPC.
And finally, a special thanks to CCP Xhagen for helping to coordinate these minutes from vacationland, from whence he shall shortly return.
o7. CCP Manifest, paltry stand-in.


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[illusionalsgcty]

Finally.

[Rudolf Miller]

anybody got a tl:dr? anything to be *excite* about?

(especially at 165 jesus fuckin christ)

[Durzel]

Moving over to Command ships, CCP Ytterbium addressed the concern of off grid links and simply stated “off grid boosting should not exist”, with much of the CSM nodding in agreement.

[Joe Appleby]

anybody got a tl:dr? anything to be *excite* about?

(especially at 165 jesus fuckin christ)

165 pages, except the CSM guys, no one knows what is in there. Give people time to read or read it yourself you lazy git.

[Nu11u5]

Props for the CSM logo work.

[Jattell]

Due to Iceland’s weather being very hot that day (above freezing), ice cream was offered to people
present at the session.

lol

[AmaNutin]

Now I've got 165 pages to read...

[Ophichius]

POS change discussion looks very interesting. A lot of it seems a bit farfetched (Jumpdrives on POSes? Death rays?) But I like the thought process it indicates.

-O

[Rakshasa The Cat]

No sleep tonight, heading out for some midnight alcohol to drink while reading this brick in the sweltering heat of Tokyo.

[rojomojo915]

Just finished reading the stakeholder meeting minutes, like where they plan on heading with the CSM and hopefully CCP can find a cost effective way to get all the teams to interact (and want to interact) with the CSM at the multiple design phases

[Rynnik]

Not a fan of the narritive style of minutes even though it comes across that CSM was having a pretty good time. Summaries and professional style minutes are way more valuable in my opinion.

[Tsubutai]

CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with
a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage,
and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2
minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must
commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage
before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to
make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle,
and then a warp out.

no

no


no no no no no no no

[Rudolf Miller]

CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with
a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage,
and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2
minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must
commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage
before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to
make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle,
and then a warp out.

no

no


no no no no no no no

I'm lost as to the purpose of this change. Are they trying to break up criminal gatecamps who can just tank sentry guns with a no fucks are given attitude?

[AmaNutin]

CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with
a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage,
and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2
minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must
commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage
before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to
make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle,
and then a warp out.

no

no


no no no no no no no

I love this idea - would completely discourage gatecamps for long periods of time. Also, more hit and run.

Muahaha.

[Tsubutai]

It does jack shit to gate campers, who can just chill in an off-grid pounce until prey arrives. What it kills is any kind of moderately extended small/medium-scale engagement under sentries. Wanted to have a fun skirmish with that hostile BC/hac/scimi gang? Fuck you, here are some 3k dps sentries.

[rojomojo915]

CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with
a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage,
and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2
minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must
commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage
before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to
make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle,
and then a warp out.

no

no


no no no no no no no

Im not completely opposed to this idea, would be nice to be able to use smaller ships at gate camps, but I think the high end cap is too high. Should be closer to being able to blap a gank cruiser without much work with no transversal, maybe even a gank battleship, but no more than that.

[Aurora148]

CCP Sreegs joked that UAxDEATH’s alliance buys and RMTs ISK all the time, to UAxDEATH cheering about it. It must be stated that there was heavy sarcasm involved in this exchange.

sure...

[Durzel]

CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with
a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage,
and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2
minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must
commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage
before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to
make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle,
and then a warp out.

no

no


no no no no no no no

Im not completely opposed to this idea, would be nice to be able to use smaller ships at gate camps, but I think the high end cap is too high. Should be closer to being able to blap a gank cruiser without much work with no transversal, maybe even a gank battleship, but no more than that.

so predicting it will be a flat scaling that applies to the gun rather than the target, so some guy turns up on grid having just stolen from someones can of some shit somewhere in system and drops out of warp to the sentries blapping him for <insert total EHP here>

[AmaNutin]

CCP Unifex: At the actual team level, they get developed into release plans and sprint plans (this is standard AGILE development methodology). (pg 33)

Oh AGILE development...

so predicting it will be a flat scaling that applies to the gun rather than the target, so some guy turns up on grid having just stolen from someones can of some shit somewhere in system and drops out of warp to the sentries blapping him for <insert total EHP here>

Would lead to lots of lossmails.