[DayZ] FearlessDOT - PRIVATE HIVE [VET] 100 slot!

[TroN]

This thread is more fun than the game!

[Eard]

I see absolutely nothing here to indicate either snake or drealar abused admin rights. All Snake did with his teleport was check if reclaws was the shooter and d/ced. If redclaws wasn't the shooter snake would have just TPed far across the map and it would have been obvious the shooter was still there. Since he has access to logs and far less of a reason to spew BS I'm much more inclined to trust his version of affairs than red's.

Frankly, I would have kept your ban red if I was drealar. You got p. fucking lucky.

Because taking the time to shoot multiple times before getting the kill, check out loot, grab it, then run away is just like hearing a shot fly past your head and alt-f4ing~~~ (I too can blindly speculate based on the information posted in the thread)

Meanwhile admin avoids death to zombies in a zombie game by alt-f4ing.

Hypothetical: Player barb wires shut a passage into popular building. Another player runs there with the intent on safely shooting the following zombies after making it indoors, finds it blocked off, and is now swarmed with zombies. Alt-f4ing to avoid zombies is now fine, even though it a player caused the situation by blocking the passage? (this situation happened while I was on the server yesterday, although the guys took it in stride, tried to shoot off zombies, but died anyway). Ultimately, their server so they play with whatever rules they want, but add me to the sitting this one out group, I don't have nearly the issues others have reported on the normal servers.

[Lex Fasces]

isnt most of the fun of dayz nailing random idiots that arent going to sperge at you on ts?

[drealar]

This thread is more fun than the game!

[drealar]

glad to see this ended as i expected.

does it mean i have to host one now?


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Oh you, so cute.

Also everyone knows half the fun is the drama that comes along with it so shut up and enjoy the ride.

[Bentguru]

I see absolutely nothing here to indicate either snake or drealar abused admin rights. All Snake did with his teleport was check if reclaws was the shooter and d/ced. If redclaws wasn't the shooter snake would have just TPed far across the map and it would have been obvious the shooter was still there. Since he has access to logs and far less of a reason to spew BS I'm much more inclined to trust his version of affairs than red's.

Frankly, I would have kept your ban red if I was drealar. You got p. fucking lucky.

Because taking the time to shoot multiple times before getting the kill, check out loot, grab it, then run away is just like hearing a shot fly past your head and alt-f4ing~~~ (I too can blindly speculate based on the information posted in the thread)

Meanwhile admin avoids death to zombies in a zombie game by alt-f4ing.

Hypothetical: Player barb wires shut a passage into popular building. Another player runs there with the intent on safely shooting the following zombies after making it indoors, finds it blocked off, and is now swarmed with zombies. Alt-f4ing to avoid zombies is now fine, even though it a player caused the situation by blocking the passage? (this situation happened while I was on the server yesterday, although the guys took it in stride, tried to shoot off zombies, but died anyway). Ultimately, their server so they play with whatever rules they want, but add me to the sitting this one out group, I don't have nearly the issues others have reported on the normal servers.

Personally I don't like alt-f4ing to avoid Zs either, but there's absolutely no way to be able to tell who is abusing the system like that because there's only 1 observer. You CAN tell when somebody is disconnecting to avoid pvp.

And the difference between your two pvp situations is zero, in both cases a player is logging out to avoid combat rather than staying in-game and trying to escape.

Anybody else having trouble connecting to the server right now?

[Overspark]

Yeah, it just went down.

[drealar]

I see absolutely nothing here to indicate either snake or drealar abused admin rights. All Snake did with his teleport was check if reclaws was the shooter and d/ced. If redclaws wasn't the shooter snake would have just TPed far across the map and it would have been obvious the shooter was still there. Since he has access to logs and far less of a reason to spew BS I'm much more inclined to trust his version of affairs than red's.

Frankly, I would have kept your ban red if I was drealar. You got p. fucking lucky.

Because taking the time to shoot multiple times before getting the kill, check out loot, grab it, then run away is just like hearing a shot fly past your head and alt-f4ing~~~ (I too can blindly speculate based on the information posted in the thread)

Meanwhile admin avoids death to zombies in a zombie game by alt-f4ing.

Hypothetical: Player barb wires shut a passage into popular building. Another player runs there with the intent on safely shooting the following zombies after making it indoors, finds it blocked off, and is now swarmed with zombies. Alt-f4ing to avoid zombies is now fine, even though it a player caused the situation by blocking the passage? (this situation happened while I was on the server yesterday, although the guys took it in stride, tried to shoot off zombies, but died anyway). Ultimately, their server so they play with whatever rules they want, but add me to the sitting this one out group, I don't have nearly the issues others have reported on the normal servers.

Personally I don't like alt-f4ing to avoid Zs either, but there's absolutely no way to be able to tell who is abusing the system like that because there's only 1 observer. You CAN tell when somebody is disconnecting to avoid pvp.

And the difference between your two pvp situations is zero, in both cases a player is logging out to avoid combat rather than staying in-game and trying to escape.

Anybody else having trouble connecting to the server right now?

Your last line is basically exactly what I was going to type :P

Also yeah, the box just went down and I can't connect to reboot it.
Waiting for snake to answer my pings!

[Freddy Dare]

This ability to warp to people. Tell me more..

Did not know.

[Varcaus]

This ability to warp to people. Tell me more..

Did not know.

:admin:

[Eard]

Well, further down the rabbit hole we go.

Player A is running along, minding his own business trying to hit once last deer stand before g/f aggro over dinner being on hold gets him, and sees a group of 3 players move a couple hundred meters away down a hill. Player A now feels sassy, decides to take a shot, and takes out one of group B. He's sees the rest of group B scatter. Waits a minute, still sees no movement or return fire, heads down and loots dead player. Completes looting, still no shooting, returns back to a covered position.

When can Player A now log out? Immediately because he got loot out and made it back to cover without counter aggression? 1 minute later? 5 minutes later? After running X distance? Group B could have said fuck it, we've got a big stockpile and we don't know how many we are facing, let's just head back and get respawned buddy kitted back up rather than risk all of us. Group B could have said that asshole, we only heard one shot so assuming he has no friends, let's flank and get into position. Both situations, no shots are fired. Hell, group B could follow player A for 10 minutes of running, and Player A is none the wiser because group B is staying covered. Obviously they don't want to return fire and give away the hunt, so how the hell is Player A supposed to know if he's still "being engaged" or free to log out? If player A logs back in 5 minutes later, is he accused of alt-f4ing? An hour later? Knowing he can't be hopping out to try to ghost or get away safely, how long does he have to stay logged out to prove he wasn't just dodging the heat? Because player A knows he's might have to leave very soon, is he forced to not take the initial shot and avoid being accused of a hit and run?

[Bentguru]

It's called a judgement call Eard, and it's better than the alternative. Which is everybody logging at the drop of a hat.

[jonesbones]

I see absolutely nothing here to indicate either snake or drealar abused admin rights. All Snake did with his teleport was check if reclaws was the shooter and d/ced. If redclaws wasn't the shooter snake would have just TPed far across the map and it would have been obvious the shooter was still there. Since he has access to logs and far less of a reason to spew BS I'm much more inclined to trust his version of affairs than red's.

Frankly, I would have kept your ban red if I was drealar. You got p. fucking lucky.

I'll continue to play on servers where sperging admins don't abuse the rcon because one of their own went down. ELITE PVP style.

[Freddy Dare]

The best you can hope is fair play and employ a don't disco under direct fire scenario. Still easily abused but it's about all thats available in the alpha.

The ability to :adminwarp: is news to me. Same deal for genuine rocket hive server admin ?

[Bentguru]

I'll continue to play on servers where sperging admins don't abuse the rcon because one of their own went down. ELITE PVP style.

Good for you? I'm really having trouble caring where you play.

[drealar]

Well, further down the rabbit hole we go.

Player A is running along, minding his own business trying to hit once last deer stand before g/f aggro over dinner being on hold gets him, and sees a group of 3 players move a couple hundred meters away down a hill. Player A now feels sassy, decides to take a shot, and takes out one of group B. He's sees the rest of group B scatter. Waits a minute, still sees no movement or return fire, heads down and loots dead player. Completes looting, still no shooting, returns back to a covered position.

When can Player A now log out? Immediately because he got loot out and made it back to cover without counter aggression? 1 minute later? 5 minutes later? After running X distance? Group B could have said fuck it, we've got a big stockpile and we don't know how many we are facing, let's just head back and get respawned buddy kitted back up rather than risk all of us. Group B could have said that asshole, we only heard one shot so assuming he has no friends, let's flank and get into position. Both situations, no shots are fired. Hell, group B could follow player A for 10 minutes of running, and Player A is none the wiser because group B is staying covered. Obviously they don't want to return fire and give away the hunt, so how the hell is Player A supposed to know if he's still "being engaged" or free to log out? If player A logs back in 5 minutes later, is he accused of alt-f4ing? An hour later? Knowing he can't be hopping out to try to ghost or get away safely, how long does he have to stay logged out to prove he wasn't just dodging the heat? Because player A knows he's might have to leave very soon, is he forced to not take the initial shot and avoid being accused of a hit and run?

I think we're just going to have to abandon any hopes of enforcing an anti log off thing and just hope people will play along.

Originally Posted by Bentguru
I see absolutely nothing here to indicate either snake or drealar abused admin rights. All Snake did with his teleport was check if reclaws was the shooter and d/ced. If redclaws wasn't the shooter snake would have just TPed far across the map and it would have been obvious the shooter was still there. Since he has access to logs and far less of a reason to spew BS I'm much more inclined to trust his version of affairs than red's.

Frankly, I would have kept your ban red if I was drealar. You got p. fucking lucky.
I'll continue to play on servers where sperging admins don't abuse the rcon because one of their own went down. ELITE PVP style.

We get it, you troll dayz threads. It got old 2 weeks ago.
HERPA DERP.


Oh and to clear up the TP thing, there is no TP command. What snake did was exit the game and change his position in the database, then log back in.
In fact the only commands are kick, ban and shutdown. No, I'm not joking.

[Nicho Void]

Continue the bans until morale improves.

Edit 1: Also, did we update? I can't see the server anymore.

Edit 2: I need some m8s to come collect me at the coast. I keep trying to lone wolf and end up failing.

[Bentguru]

What Nicho said. This isn't the fucking US law system where everybody is innocent until proven guilty. If admins have a reasonable suspicion somebody is alt-f4ing to avoid combat banhammer them.

[Larkonis Trassler]

Server is currently down. Snake is currently watching Batman so he won't be home for a few hours to sort it out. Welpo.

[drealar]

Nah, we're going to change it. I mentioned it to snake earlier that'd I'd catch him after a nap (i didn't sleep last night).
We're not going to ban anyone here unless they're a sperging handicap or hacking. However, if they're a pubby, I'm sure they're be no fucks given. At the end of the day, the private hive solves most of the problems and trying to nazy admin altf4'ing will only result in arguments and drama and it's not worth it.

As soon as I can get access to the server again, I'll reinstate redclaws full inventory and we can just cross this off the list as a learning curve!