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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrenda View Post
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    You guys should definitely talk about me some more.

    The thing with internet debates is that we're all basically laymen. Sure some might have an interest in a subject, or profess some great knowledge of it, but really we're all armchair generals or lawyers.
    Wut? There aren't any generals here, but there are definitely soldiers, and I would imagine there are some officers or higher ranked NCOs. There are definitely a few lawyers, and there are plenty of people educated to graduate level in law. Just because you don't have any knowledge, education or experience doesn't mean everyone else is so clueless.
    C, there are also some physicists, chemists, plenty of engineers of various kinds, a psychologist or two, etc.

    I'm one of the laymen you might say, no formal education, but I work for a start-up involved in developing new and improved fuel-cell components, so I feel pretty fucking confident on that topic and a couple of broadly related ones too. That still doesn't stop me from expressing my opinion on a number of other subject that interest me, but I'm always willing to examine new facts, or well-laid out arguments and modify my opinion to a less ignorant state. This last bit is what more people should exercise ocasionally, including you, Al.


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    You should ban image macros from the serious forum. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrenda View Post
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    You guys should definitely talk about me some more.

    The thing with internet debates is that we're all basically laymen. Sure some might have an interest in a subject, or profess some great knowledge of it, but really we're all armchair generals or lawyers.
    Wut? There aren't any generals here, but there are definitely soldiers, and I would imagine there are some officers or higher ranked NCOs. There are definitely a few lawyers, and there are plenty of people educated to graduate level in law. Just because you don't have any knowledge, education or experience doesn't mean everyone else is so clueless.
    Hey, I'm clueless too! >: (

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralara View Post
    They're already too dumb to have a conversation with, I'm not going to waste energy on it.
    you certainly seem like the type of individual who should be srsposting in the srsforum with all the srspeople

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    debatable
    Referring to the increased IQ or to Al Simmons being not so bad?
    the latter

    Yes, that is totally why I find that argument trolling / "not srs enough". That it compares Apples to Oranges and tries to make the other sides arguments look stupid by putting them into a totally different context instead of actually arguing about them has nothing to do with it.
    so instead of calling him out in thread with a well thought rebuttal, you dismiss the argument as beneath you. very productive
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    You guys should definitely talk about me some more.

    The thing with internet debates is that we're all basically laymen. Sure some might have an interest in a subject, or profess some great knowledge of it, but really we're all armchair generals or lawyers.
    Wut? There aren't any generals here, but there are definitely soldiers, and I would imagine there are some officers or higher ranked NCOs. There are definitely a few lawyers, and there are plenty of people educated to graduate level in law. Just because you don't have any knowledge, education or experience doesn't mean everyone else is so clueless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reed Tiburon View Post
    so instead of calling him out in thread with a well thought rebuttal, you dismiss the argument as beneath you. very productive
    Because a) I do not want to derail the thread with an offtopic argument and b) because it was meant as example. Why it is stupid should be self-evident. Will send you a PM with a more elaborate response.

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    what is this place and where has FHC gone


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    Isn't it an option to make the subforum permission group on by default, or simply make it so that it doesn't require a whitelist?

    In that case, it'll be moderated like the normal forums (ie: no removing of access, but rather just infractions/locks), but it gives a clear designation that threads in the subforum have a low tolerance for troll posts, and that it is discouraged from trolling there. A bit like the F&H subforum, where it's commonly accepted that FMAR tolerates none of your bullshit.

    Just an idea to improve the idea of a Srsbsns subforum and make more people happy. Trying to get some consensus here, instead of needlessly polarizing this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrenda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons View Post
    You guys should definitely talk about me some more.

    The thing with internet debates is that we're all basically laymen. Sure some might have an interest in a subject, or profess some great knowledge of it, but really we're all armchair generals or lawyers.
    Wut? There aren't any generals here, but there are definitely soldiers, and I would imagine there are some officers or higher ranked NCOs. There are definitely a few lawyers, and there are plenty of people educated to graduate level in law. Just because you don't have any knowledge, education or experience doesn't mean everyone else is so clueless.
    Was talking mainly about things like the US politics thread, or the financial crisis thread where it's mostly differences in worldview etc.

    Oh, and see what I mean about getting personal? You couldn't make your point without insulting me and attempting to devalue what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roam View Post
    Isn't it an option to make the subforum permission group on by default, or simply make it so that it doesn't require a whitelist?

    In that case, it'll be moderated like the normal forums (ie: no removing of access, but rather just infractions/locks), but it gives a clear designation that threads in the subforum have a low tolerance for troll posts, and that it is discouraged from trolling there. A bit like the F&H subforum, where it's commonly accepted that FMAR tolerates none of your bullshit.

    Just an idea to improve the idea of a Srsbsns subforum and make more people happy. Trying to get some consensus here, instead of needlessly polarizing this issue.
    Agreeing there. Might be more work intensive for our glorious, benevolent and beloved mods, though.

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    Not sure if I've ever seen a thread as bad as this one on FHC. Subforum seems like a dumb idea to me, but I'm guessing it'll fail on it's own or just be used by a select group of people that'll be happy with it and that's both fine with me.

    Also: you know a thread is going places when Al Simmons is being the voice of reason (well, in his first post at least, maybe not the one above mine).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    Sparq, how about instead of going on a diatribe about things, you observe if the forum is constructive or not, and then make criticisms based on actual observed events rather than hypothetical situations.

    Right now you come off as a naysayer, screaming of doom and ruin over a tiny change. To be perfectly honest I really do think you're overreacting to it. It's a forum for serious business, if you want to talk serious business, apply to the group, if you don't want to talk serious business, don't apply. Simple enough.

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    I've been observing the forum. At the moment pretty much noone is posting in it and there is no perceivable increase in quality when people ARE posting. The only success story is getting Krans to post something that isn't a semi-legal anime image (though he has also posted plenty of those).
    The 5h observance interval is enough I agree.
    If the Srs forum is only for goodposting, by inference general forum should be a rotton hive of scum and villany.

    Therefore - Shut the fuck up Zeekar you turd-brained menstrul-blood soaked excuse for anal seepage.
    Why so mad?


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    You guys should definitely talk about me some more.

    The thing with internet debates is that we're all basically laymen. Sure some might have an interest in a subject, or profess some great knowledge of it, but really we're all armchair generals or lawyers.
    Wut? There aren't any generals here, but there are definitely soldiers, and I would imagine there are some officers or higher ranked NCOs. There are definitely a few lawyers, and there are plenty of people educated to graduate level in law. Just because you don't have any knowledge, education or experience doesn't mean everyone else is so clueless.
    Was talking mainly about things like the US politics thread, or the financial crisis thread where it's mostly differences in worldview etc.

    Oh, and see what I mean about getting personal? You couldn't make your point without insulting me and attempting to devalue what I said.
    Those threads are a prime example why people mostly dislike your posting and consider you clueless. You come off as a child that thinks his is the only proper way it thats how it should be. Just like with your former post. Quite a lot of people here are highly educated and know their field and can tell you a lot of it and place sensible arguments about it but you mostly ignore them and blaber on since you are the only one who is right. And thats why you're clueless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    Not sure if I've ever seen a thread as bad as this one on FHC. Subforum seems like a dumb idea to me, but I'm guessing it'll fail on it's own or just be used by a select group of people that'll be happy with it and that's both fine with me.

    Also: you know a thread is going places when Al Simmons is being the voice of reason (well, in his first post at least, maybe not the one above mine).

    Al Simmons posted another shit post and you're agreeing with him since its somewhat enforcing your opinion. But like usual he's wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons View Post
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    You guys should definitely talk about me some more.

    The thing with internet debates is that we're all basically laymen. Sure some might have an interest in a subject, or profess some great knowledge of it, but really we're all armchair generals or lawyers.
    Wut? There aren't any generals here, but there are definitely soldiers, and I would imagine there are some officers or higher ranked NCOs. There are definitely a few lawyers, and there are plenty of people educated to graduate level in law. Just because you don't have any knowledge, education or experience doesn't mean everyone else is so clueless.
    Was talking mainly about things like the US politics thread, or the financial crisis thread where it's mostly differences in worldview etc.

    Oh, and see what I mean about getting personal? You couldn't make your point without insulting me and attempting to devalue what I said.
    You were the one insulting people. You said that everyone on here is an "armchair lawyer." Which at the very least is insulting to the people who actually are lawyers, is sort of insulting to the people who have been trained in law and is broadly insulting to all the people who have expertise in their own particular area.

    You're the one being insulting saying no-one has authority to speak when a huge amount of people on here do have authority to speak on subjects related to their field of expertise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reed Tiburon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralara View Post
    They're already too dumb to have a conversation with, I'm not going to waste energy on it.
    you certainly seem like the type of individual who should be srsposting in the srsforum with all the srspeople
    no I'm not. I'm exactly the type of person who shouldn't post in there. Which is why I said 99% of the time I won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrenda View Post
    You were the one insulting people. You said that everyone on here is an "armchair lawyer." Which at the very least is insulting to the people who actually are lawyers, is sort of insulting to the people who have been trained in law and is broadly insulting to all the people who have expertise in their own particular area.

    You're the one being insulting saying no-one has authority to speak when a huge amount of people on here do have authority to speak on subjects related to their field of expertise.
    Do we actually have any lawyers here? And just because you might have studied one part of law doesn't make you an expert on all of it.

    FFS whatever, I didn't want to get dragged into this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mrenda View Post
    You were the one insulting people. You said that everyone on here is an "armchair lawyer." Which at the very least is insulting to the people who actually are lawyers, is sort of insulting to the people who have been trained in law and is broadly insulting to all the people who have expertise in their own particular area.

    You're the one being insulting saying no-one has authority to speak when a huge amount of people on here do have authority to speak on subjects related to their field of expertise.
    Do we actually have any lawyers here? And just because you might have studied one part of law doesn't make you an expert on all of it.

    FFS whatever, I didn't want to get dragged into this thread.
    Um, Lallante, for one?

    And don't be so obtuse, of course studying "law" doesn't make you an expert in "all of it", but neither is Dawkins an expert in ALL biology and Hawking is not an expert in ALL physics. But it does mean they know a hell of a lot more than an unemployed bum who is scared to leave the house, takes handouts from the government because "why shouldn't I?" (your words) and will not better himself because he's too fucking lazy.
    Hello? Oh, hello! I'm sorry it's a very bad line. No, no no... but that's not possible, she was sealed in to the Seventh Obelisk after the prayer meeting. Well, no, I get that it's important... an Egyptian Goddess loose on the Orient Express. In Space. Give us a mo....

    ... don't worry about a thing, your Majesty; we're on our way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Simmons View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mrenda View Post
    You were the one insulting people. You said that everyone on here is an "armchair lawyer." Which at the very least is insulting to the people who actually are lawyers, is sort of insulting to the people who have been trained in law and is broadly insulting to all the people who have expertise in their own particular area.

    You're the one being insulting saying no-one has authority to speak when a huge amount of people on here do have authority to speak on subjects related to their field of expertise.
    Do we actually have any lawyers here? And just because you might have studied one part of law doesn't make you an expert on all of it.

    FFS whatever, I didn't want to get dragged into this thread.
    I'm a lawyer, albeit in Sweden. Pretty sure Lallante (or was it Loire?) is a US one. There are more of us around than you might think.
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