"Serious Business"

[Sparq]

Fair enough, it was a bit unnecessary singling out of posters there.

No, it's completely unnecessary.

It's already happening.

- and it must be stopped.

But my point was that one or two lines can only convey so much (in all honesty, my posting history isn't exactly filled with eloquence) . Pictures do often say a thousand words, but in my opinion anime (or pony, or whatever) images do not fit in every argument. I'd even go so far and say that they at times are just a distraction from the message or the discussion in general.

Bullshit.

Every argument isn't the preserve of tables of figures and dry facts, either. Communication as a visual medium isn't just based in text. Banning people from linking images or youtube videos or whatever the fuck they please is ridiculous.

This is the fucking internet, it's a media-rich environment. Deal with it.

Should the media in question remain on-topic? Yes, I agree that it probably should in most cases - but we already have rules about where pony picture do and do not belong and I seem to recall them being enforced fairly robustly.

I don't think we need a whole new sub-forum to keep the ominous hoofed threat out of our "serious business".

Do one or two people (yes, especially one) tend to use an anime picture in virtually every post? Yes, and frankly you should develop the capacity to deal with that, too. My impression is that those pictures help add expression to whatever point is being made. Whether we agree with those points or not, refusing that person - or anyone else like them! - the right to comment alongside everyone else in their own style is plain, fucking, stupid.

And it's not like FHC is one happy shitpoasting family as it is right now. We have an EVE-section (our holy place of origin), we have Other Games, we have World of Tanks. Different sub-forums and sections do cater to different tastes and interests. I for instance have no interest at all in post in WoT, and I bet there are EVE'rs who don't give a shit about General. "But there's a difference, you don't have to apply to that sub-forum!" Sure there is, and I think it's necessary. WoT simply isn't as flammable as gun-control or abortions or whatever. Such discussions will rile up a lot angry feelings leading to increased moderation if the thread isn't locked (thus killing further discussion).

... sorry, I was distracted by unintentionally constructing the phrase "flammable abortion" in my head. Moving along,



Those sub-forums are nothing like General Discussion. Splitting off "intelligent discussion" and "serious business" from wider debate isn't the same as differentiating between EVE Online and World of Tanks.

Instead, it's the birth of something nasty, that disenfranchises a few unmentionables so other, allegedly "better" people can feel a sense of "insight" and "contribution" when they post.

Srsbsns as it is right now actually gave me some new insights in the pro-gun mindset, and I seriously doubt people would have made the effort to discuss things in the first, locked, thread. Knowing that my posts might actually contribute to some thread that won't be locked within two days might also encourage me to make better posts.

"..."

If subjects like abortion and gun control are so incendiary then perhaps they do need a closer eye kept on them by Moderators to avoid being locked, but that is the job of Moderators.

It's also the job of the community to behave like adults. Ignore posters or posts you don't like, don't feed trolls.

Don't chuck a shit-fit because there is a screen-capture from Fruits Basket on your monitor.

[Rudolf Miller]

I take it back, thread actually delivers now.

I think there is a place for serious business arguments on FHC. Some people will fit better in that environment, others will not. The ones who get butthurt about it clearly don't belong.

I believe that's /thread?

[Lallante]

I take it back, thread actually delivers now.

I think there is a place for serious business arguments on FHC. Some people will fit better in that environment, others will not. The ones who get butthurt about it clearly don't belong.

I believe that's /thread?

No

[Ophichius]

Sparq, how about instead of going on a diatribe about things, you observe if the forum is constructive or not, and then make criticisms based on actual observed events rather than hypothetical situations.

Right now you come off as a naysayer, screaming of doom and ruin over a tiny change. To be perfectly honest I really do think you're overreacting to it. It's a forum for serious business, if you want to talk serious business, apply to the group, if you don't want to talk serious business, don't apply. Simple enough.

-O

[EntroX]

[marcus xero]

Gus guys....this thread is getting serious. Perhaps it should be moved to the new special sub section

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[filingo]

seriously serious

[lubica]

Sparq, how about instead of going on a diatribe about things, you observe if the forum is constructive or not, and then make criticisms based on actual observed events rather than hypothetical situations.

Right now you come off as a naysayer, screaming of doom and ruin over a tiny change. To be perfectly honest I really do think you're overreacting to it. It's a forum for serious business, if you want to talk serious business, apply to the group, if you don't want to talk serious business, don't apply. Simple enough.

-O

Your post pisses me off and I don't have the time or energy to properly disembowel it, therefore an ad hominem: fuck off.

[Lallante]

Sparq, how about instead of going on a diatribe about things, you observe if the forum is constructive or not, and then make criticisms based on actual observed events rather than hypothetical situations.

Right now you come off as a naysayer, screaming of doom and ruin over a tiny change. To be perfectly honest I really do think you're overreacting to it. It's a forum for serious business, if you want to talk serious business, apply to the group, if you don't want to talk serious business, don't apply. Simple enough.

-O

I've been observing the forum. At the moment pretty much noone is posting in it and there is no perceivable increase in quality when people ARE posting. The only success story is getting Krans to post something that isn't a semi-legal anime image (though he has also posted plenty of those).

[Paradox]

Is there any way to allow everyone to read the srsbsns forum while retaining the application to join thing?

That way we can have tears from bads as well as letting people read the forum and not split the community.

[Ophichius]

Your post pisses me off and I don't have the time or energy to properly disembowel it, therefore an ad hominem: fuck off.

You sir are a gentleman and a scholar, I wish you well in life. Specifically I wish you'd fall into one and drown.

(Am I doing it right?)

-O

[Zeekar]

Sparq, how about instead of going on a diatribe about things, you observe if the forum is constructive or not, and then make criticisms based on actual observed events rather than hypothetical situations.

Right now you come off as a naysayer, screaming of doom and ruin over a tiny change. To be perfectly honest I really do think you're overreacting to it. It's a forum for serious business, if you want to talk serious business, apply to the group, if you don't want to talk serious business, don't apply. Simple enough.

-O

I've been observing the forum. At the moment pretty much noone is posting in it and there is no perceivable increase in quality when people ARE posting. The only success story is getting Krans to post something that isn't a semi-legal anime image (though he has also posted plenty of those).

The 5h observance interval is enough I agree.

[Sacul]

Loool, just found it. The fuck is this shit?
How are you going to have a subforum without the likes of sacul and evil edna?
Is CCPL fisher going to get accepted?


I am gay.

.

Who says im not in?
(applied and send a tener to sofia)

The thing with the srsbsns subforum is that now a mod (sofia?) will have to read all the shit. I wouldnt want that job tbfh.

[indeterminacy]

Why don't you just make a :srsbzns: tag in the General Chat section rather than running off into a gated community? It's far less :1percenter:

[Sparq]

Sparq, how about instead of going on a diatribe about things, you observe if the forum is constructive or not, and then make criticisms based on actual observed events rather than hypothetical situations.

Right now you come off as a naysayer, screaming of doom and ruin over a tiny change. To be perfectly honest I really do think you're overreacting to it. It's a forum for serious business, if you want to talk serious business, apply to the group, if you don't want to talk serious business, don't apply. Simple enough.

-O

You mean observe whether the one thread there, the one reposted thread, is constructive. Reposted with roughly 75% of its content from the General Discussion forum.

Where I have the right to apply for admittance but risk being turned away when I spurn both the thread itself and the misbegotten concept of admittance to it. When I spurn it for being an example of despicable opportunism to take advantage of the recent tragedy in Aurora by being somebodies soap box for shoving futile arguments for gun control down our throats again - even after it had already been locked not once but twice.

Meanwhile, here in the real FHC discussion forum Rudolf Miller is free to post "/thread" but if I go in there and say it I'm gonna get kicked back out again.



Yeah, I'm inclined to follow that exploitative shit pile with rapt attention, aren't I?

Fuck yourself and fuck your belittling attitude, too. If you can't take this topic seriously, what the fuck kind of contribution do you think you're going to make in there?

[Lallante]

Sparq, how about instead of going on a diatribe about things, you observe if the forum is constructive or not, and then make criticisms based on actual observed events rather than hypothetical situations.

Right now you come off as a naysayer, screaming of doom and ruin over a tiny change. To be perfectly honest I really do think you're overreacting to it. It's a forum for serious business, if you want to talk serious business, apply to the group, if you don't want to talk serious business, don't apply. Simple enough.

-O

I've been observing the forum. At the moment pretty much noone is posting in it and there is no perceivable increase in quality when people ARE posting. The only success story is getting Krans to post something that isn't a semi-legal anime image (though he has also posted plenty of those).

The 5h observance interval is enough I agree.

If the Srs forum is only for goodposting, by inference general forum should be a rotton hive of scum and villany.

Therefore - Shut the fuck up Zeekar you turd-brained menstrul-blood soaked excuse for anal seepage.

[Ophichius]

Sparq, how about instead of going on a diatribe about things, you observe if the forum is constructive or not, and then make criticisms based on actual observed events rather than hypothetical situations.

Right now you come off as a naysayer, screaming of doom and ruin over a tiny change. To be perfectly honest I really do think you're overreacting to it. It's a forum for serious business, if you want to talk serious business, apply to the group, if you don't want to talk serious business, don't apply. Simple enough.

-O

You mean observe whether the one thread there, the one reposted thread, is constructive. Reposted with roughly 75% of its content from the General Discussion forum.

Where I have the right to apply for admittance but risk being turned away when I spurn both the thread itself and the misbegotten concept of admittance to it. When I spurn it for being an example of despicable opportunism to take advantage of the recent tragedy in Aurora by being somebodies soap box for shoving futile arguments for gun control down our throats again - even after it had already been locked not once but twice.

Meanwhile, here in the real FHC discussion forum Rudolf Miller is free to post "/thread" but if I go in there and say it I'm gonna get kicked back out again.



Yeah, I'm inclined to follow that exploitative shit pile with rapt attention, aren't I?

Fuck yourself and fuck your belittling attitude, too. If you can't take this topic seriously, what the fuck kind of contribution do you think you're going to make in there?

Woah. Angry much? Have a drink, chill out.

My exact point is that so far it's only one thread. Give it time, see if it turns into a useful forum, slides into being a cesspit, or simply withers on the vine. You're taking it very personally when you really don't have to. That can't be good for your health.

The point to the Serious Business forum is to have a different tone. It should be slower paced, more thoughtful, well-informed discussions. Not knee-jerk reactionism and memes. If it lives up to that promise or not is something only time will tell. Spewing vitriol over it now is premature, counter-productive, and a waste of effort.

Does make for good drama though. Gotta keep those popcorn makers in business, eh?



-O

[Mrenda]

My problem with srsbsns threads on any forum is that sure there's a way to police trolling, but eventually someone is going to post something that's at best misleading and quite likely down right objectively wrong. Then it just ends up with 9 people telling them they're wrong, the one person holding out, and the conversation being dominated by that.

Arguments on the internet are generally spoiled by the extremism of the internet. To use an unsubtle example: instead of nine people posting constructively about global warming or (to go derper) evolution, it ends up as an argument with someone who believes in creationism, and that's just pointless.

[indeterminacy]

an argument with someone who believes in creationism, and that's just pointless.

It's this level of disrespect for other's views on the anonymous internet that precludes any serious discussion about anything. You'd never say that to an acquaintances' face. If you did you'd be shunned in the future by those present at the least.

[Sacul]

why are people sperging in this thread?