Now there has been some time for the changes to settle in: whats it like?
I know that's a pretty open ended question right there, but are there some general trends in terms of gangs, ships, sorts of fights people get?
I'm being deliberately a bit vague about specifying that i want to know all about pvp in a gang of X dudes, flying tech Y ships engaging at Z because i just want to hear what you guys think, not how you think it'll relate to me iyswim.
I had to google iyswim. All these accronyms are gay as hell imo.
All ik is about Minnie / amarr fw. There are a decent amount of kitchen sink fleets around and hardly anything that smells of an actual fleet doctrine. Minnies use the cheap sfis all the time in both nano setup and sfi setup. Bonuses around kourm/kamela/huola are rampent for soloers as well as gangs (i've seen three lokis on scan not including my loki in kamela more than once, often there are pos set up just for this).
Fweddit (amarr) takes thrashers around a lot often with griffen support, engage them outnumbered they have low sp. Some of the amarr In kamela have atleast 1 titan they use for bridging.
In us time zone late nite alliance (minnie) can field a large variety of ships from ahacs to supers (they are scared to use supers though) if you bring a gang around. They are happy to drop triage, and have lots of neuting ships around if you are also thinking of dropping triage. They also have a very lose fleet system, if you are fighting someone expect backup if they fight is over a couple minutes. In late night ka POW POW and ifw are decent (but sometimes over aggressive) Ross and autocannons are filled with mostly bad pilots.
As far as what gangs are actually flying around. 5-20 man fleets in bcs and below with fast tacklers (with a couple bs because people think they are cool) I've seen tornado gangs, sfi gangs, t1 cruiser gangs, sometimes logistics. The nice thing about the plex system is you can often split up a fleet if you can't fight them head on.
That's all I can think of right now.
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Last edited by inora aknaria; July 23 2012 at 01:57:17 PM.
edit: nvm misread the post above me
Regarding frigsize soloing: whats the level of faggotry like? (and by faggotry i mean shit like dual-asb Hawks with HG Crystal and 2 gang link t3s)
Last edited by n0th; July 23 2012 at 01:51:19 PM.
Significantly higher than what you'd encounter when roaming null to fight sovholding locals/home defence gangs, but not so high as to be completely unbearable. However, a lot of the fighting happens in plexes, which can be pretty shite because the warpin point is completely fixed, so you get people sitting on it at zero in daredevils or AC thrashers or whatever and insta-scramming things that land (or warping off if they see something they can't be certain of killing on short-range d-scan).Originally Posted by n0th
Let's start a party of our own
I'm often in a t1 thrasher with loki links and hg snakes. There are dual rep punishers with legion links, a few pimped frigs, ab td drams, arty thrashers with links and implants. But there are also fast tackle frigs for gangs that you can often coax off fleets.
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Tbqh I don't find this much of a problem, with a close range scan you can both see what is coming and what is in the plex. If you see a thrasher or a dd on close range scan and you cant beat it in a brawl don't go into the plex, sit on the gate and wait for him to warp out and warp back in, or just don't fight him.Significantly higher than what you'd encounter when roaming null to fight sovholding locals/home defence gangs, but not so high as to be completely unbearable. However, a lot of the fighting happens in plexes, which can be pretty shite because the warpin point is completely fixed, so you get people sitting on it at zero in daredevils or AC thrashers or whatever and insta-scramming things that land (or warping off if they see something they can't be certain of killing on short-range d-scan).
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Sounds like links are pretty much mandatory then. Furry muff.
What is the general pvp landscape like? Is it full of lords servant type guys indulging in maximum faggotry whilst telling you how awesome at elite pvp they are, or is there a more relaxed goodfights thing going on?
Beyond solo justice, do gangs tend to be certain sizes and what hulls are they in?
Gangs do tend to be a certain size (10-20 normally every once in a while they get huge for system takedowns or themed fleets), but they also grow or shrink depending on how many fights there are available (i.e. if you form up with a 10man bc gang they form up with similar +a couple). Just scan through some of the killboards http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/ http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/ to see what kind of gangs are around.
People tend to say they want good fights, but this is eve and people often bring setups that aren't going to result in good fights only good ganks. (http://rifters.killmail.org/?a=kill_...ll_id=14085939 yes I'm still bitter)
Also recently we had a fairly evenish bc brawl on our hands and minmatar warped in 2 triage archons b/c the new amarr fc didn't realize he was in their home system..... (note both sides do this shit)
But with that said I've waited in a minor for a couple minutes and people re-shipped into 4 identical ships and had a very fun thrasher 4v4.
If you just join you will have a period where you are a relative unknown entity; this is a critical time. I think there are generally two strategies a corp can have and still have fun in FW. E-Bushido: try to form up fair fights, don't use shitty things like falcons or triage carriers that end up with 1 way fights, and then focus on using the pilots you have to maximum efficiency so you can get the best of them things like: positioning, target calling, implants, and fits to win gang fights. Win fights: use all the things in eve there are to win the fights you will get for the first couple weeks of deploying into fw space and then leave as people will stop engaging you, clever traps only work once and soon people will be seeing ghosts where there are none.
Fighting quickly becomes stale in FW as you generally fight the same people over and over.
When you see that dram running around you know how it is fit and you know you can't kill it so you don't even try. Soon it ends up being things like last time they dropped triage on us so we aren't going to fight without a big advantage so everyone gets blue balled (or we jumped into you guys last time, your turn). Then even when people aren't thinking of dropping triage or have guardians hidden people expect them to have such things and the meta-game gets really frustrating really quickly.
Last edited by inora aknaria; July 23 2012 at 07:15:44 PM.
You are horrible m8. I hope you get podded by snuff box and co in tama in a full slave set un-updated clone.Spoiler:
As to caldari/gallente FW - generally speaking gallente will blob the shit outta you, or not engage. There is very rarely an actual stand up fight as both sides are pretty evenly matched, and both are rather risk-averse. The gigantic 900lb gorilla in the room is Drunk and Disorderly (and co) who are nominally on Gallente side, but seem to be off doing their own thing, so they don't tip the scales that much(unless there is a fight, in which case both sides tend to avoid dropping caps unless they have snuff box as batphone on standby - snuff box batphones for both sides depending on who's batphone is online/convo's first) :P
Gallente have at least one nyx + bridging titan they like to use as often as possible(nyx would probably be pretty easy to bait out tbh, but he always cyno's in at range), and for fleets often bring armor (faction) bs/t3s/hacs.
There is some good solo to be had, but be prepared to lose ships constantly(I stopped using fleet boosters/implants a while ago as people were refusing to fight me at all, for example t1 merlin vs vexor + thrasher + firetail - they all ran and smacktalked in local).
Qcats tend to enjoy playing station games in nennamaila(but have a few decent pvpers) - that's where they and several other gal FW corps base out of. Villore Accords alliance are generally horrible gankers/blobbers who will refuse to engage off station unless they have 10:1 odds + ecm + QCATS on grid/in system for backup. They have literally maybe 2 people who are up for gfs on a regular basis.
Several gallente pilots (I can't remember this one dude's name) fly with falcon/blackbird alts (They swap them out depending on which they can get into the plex) and several other gallente pilots (chatgris specifically) almost always fly with t3 links(but he's somewhat chill and will drop them for a 1v1).
Tl;dr - There's GFs to be had, but be prepared to rage hard if you don't like losing ships/getting ganked/faggotry. For people like me(fine with engaging 1v20, have limitless wallets for losing 5+ ships in one day and still giving no fucks just to get that one perfect fight) it's not bad. Otherwise, you'll wanna stick to your corp's gangs and just go for the random ganks all over the place(nennamaila, akidagi, vlill, oms, enaluri are all sorta hotspot systems, depending on TZ/activity).
Also ry ry, I've had my booster alt in WHs for quite some time now. I've been :truesolo: (not even implants) and been doing just fine, still engaging 1v20. You truly are an ignorant fuck. :P
Last edited by LordsServant; July 25 2012 at 12:20:20 AM.
So agressiveI was just using you as an example of somebody with a terrible personality, I don't keep tabs on you or your alts (seriously, why on earth would I do that?!)
Thanks for the info though o7
Does lord literally have his name on an rss feed or something?
Honestly would rather have more folks like Lords than you. You're petty, he's entertaining. You both act like stupid fucks, but he knows he's being stupid and is cool with it.So agressive
Thanks for the info though o7
Back on topic: Been trying out FW myself, singularly annoyed that FW pilots are allowed to dock in enemy highsec, mostly because there's one specific pilot who plays silly undock games on the Abudban TLF station all the time. Last I saw was in a Cormorant, blowing people up. Straight T1 (no meta) low-SP Rifter vs T2 blaster corm doesn't end well. I may have to get a nano-vigil and just fuck around pointing him from 20km until the navy catches up and melts his face.
Actually getting fights in lowsec has been interesting. Nabbed a Stabber on a gate, got him into hull before two vagbaonds showed up and popped me. Lords is right that you can expect to lose a lot of shit if you're solo. T1 or deep pockets is the only way to stay sane.
-O
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those Thukkers, that way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody.
Lol i've never though of myself as being petty, a twat certainly, but petty is new. i'm also okay getting comprehensively owned in that post too
lolHonestly would rather have more folks like Lords than you. You're petty, he's entertaining. You both act like stupid fucks, but he knows he's being stupid and is cool with it.So agressive
Thanks for the info though o7
Back on topic: Been trying out FW myself, singularly annoyed that FW pilots are allowed to dock in enemy highsec, mostly because there's one specific pilot who plays silly undock games on the Abudban TLF station all the time. Last I saw was in a Cormorant, blowing people up. Straight T1 (no meta) low-SP Rifter vs T2 blaster corm doesn't end well. I may have to get a nano-vigil and just fuck around pointing him from 20km until the navy catches up and melts his face.
Actually getting fights in lowsec has been interesting. Nabbed a Stabber on a gate, got him into hull before two vagbaonds showed up and popped me. Lords is right that you can expect to lose a lot of shit if you're solo. T1 or deep pockets is the only way to stay sane.
-O
Reminds me on a college forum a thread with a post saying "Does x instructor grep for his name in posts?" followed 10 seconds later with the instructor in question posting "No".
On topic, I'm currently trying FW for a bit as caldari (I like Navy Scorpions) over in the amarr/minny pool. While I have seen link alts etc I haven't felt bad going solo without links/implants. Three big things I had to get used to:
1. A higher percentage of people have at least a basic understanding of nano/kiting.
2. The amount of afterburners (proper size) with scrams used on ships seems higher than anywhere else in K-space.
3. PLEX sizes and the ships allowed into each.
LP for kills has been good imo; for two examples I received 14K LP for a 200 million ISK solo Arazu kill (he DERPed on hot dropping me) and around 150 for a solo T1 fit cheap thrasher kill.
I just did something simple and setup an alt corp that gives no roles so my corp mates and I could join and leave as often as we like. There is no cooldown on the war and you keep your LP (I had to leave and rejoin in the same day to fix a standings issue and I could fight immediately upon rejoining). CCP would probably take a dim view of abusing that but I figure for 2 week sprints it seemed like decent system.
Cheers for all the input (apart from ones hilighting my many and varied character flaws OBVIOUSLY) that paints a pretty rosy picture of FW. Hmmmmmm.
and you are?Honestly would rather have more folks like Lords than you. You're petty, he's entertaining. You both act like stupid fucks, but he knows he's being stupid and is cool with it.So agressive
Thanks for the info though o7
Back on topic: Been trying out FW myself, singularly annoyed that FW pilots are allowed to dock in enemy highsec, mostly because there's one specific pilot who plays silly undock games on the Abudban TLF station all the time. Last I saw was in a Cormorant, blowing people up. Straight T1 (no meta) low-SP Rifter vs T2 blaster corm doesn't end well. I may have to get a nano-vigil and just fuck around pointing him from 20km until the navy catches up and melts his face.
Actually getting fights in lowsec has been interesting. Nabbed a Stabber on a gate, got him into hull before two vagbaonds showed up and popped me. Lords is right that you can expect to lose a lot of shit if you're solo. T1 or deep pockets is the only way to stay sane.
-O
lool you even sign your posts.
and you are?Honestly would rather have more folks like Lords than you. You're petty, he's entertaining. You both act like stupid fucks, but he knows he's being stupid and is cool with it.So agressive
Thanks for the info though o7
Back on topic: Been trying out FW myself, singularly annoyed that FW pilots are allowed to dock in enemy highsec, mostly because there's one specific pilot who plays silly undock games on the Abudban TLF station all the time. Last I saw was in a Cormorant, blowing people up. Straight T1 (no meta) low-SP Rifter vs T2 blaster corm doesn't end well. I may have to get a nano-vigil and just fuck around pointing him from 20km until the navy catches up and melts his face.
Actually getting fights in lowsec has been interesting. Nabbed a Stabber on a gate, got him into hull before two vagbaonds showed up and popped me. Lords is right that you can expect to lose a lot of shit if you're solo. T1 or deep pockets is the only way to stay sane.
-O
lool you even sign your posts.
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