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    Ahahaha just kidding moongoo is completely broken and we’re going to fix that starting in Inferno 1.2.
    Disclaimer: Everything in this dev blog (just like every game change we make) is open to being changed at any point. If you dump all your isk into speculation around this blog and lose it all because we changed something again, you have only yourself to blame. Always speculate at your own risk. So by way of introduction, I’m CCP Fozzie the new game designer here at CCP. I’ve been playing EVE for years and am very excited for the chance to work alongside the great team here and in partnership with all you passionate players to make Eve Online: A Progressively Improving Game.
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    Now if I’ve learned anything about prison from television (and who hasn’t), it’s that the first thing you should do when you arrive is find the biggest guy around and beat the living daylights out of him so everyone knows not to mess with you. Since I figure most imaginary prison advice should be fairly transferrable I came in here looking to find a big game problem and smack it around a bit.
    Many of you will be familiar with this graph:

    Over the past several months the price of the moon mineral Technetium has risen sharply, bringing some pre-existing game design issues into sharper relief. The value of these moons combined with the fact that they exist completely in one distinct region of the game has caused wealth transfers that are simply too large for the effort and risk involved. So we are going to kick Technetium in the balls.
    There are more problems with our current system of moon mining and tech two production than just the price of Technetium, which is why we now have a comprehensive plan to address these issues over multiple releases. The end goal is for the materials for tech two production to come from player activities that require group gameplay and risk taking, and that provide appropriate rewards. This will eventually involve changes to both resource collection and the build requirements for construction of tech two materials and items. A responsible first step in this plan is to ensure that as much as possible the tech two components market is shielded from unnecessary price shocks.
    Those of you who have been playing for a while may remember that there was a system introduced in 2008 for this exact purpose called Alchemy. It allows players to replace one moon mineral type with another in a reaction; simulating the innovation that occurs in the real world when supply of a resource is tight (the fuel conservation innovation that resulted from the 1970s oil crisis springs to mind). The details of the system are available at CCP Greyscale’s original alchemy devblog for those who are interested.
    Our first step in fixing the moon mineral and tech two production economies is to expand alchemy to every applicable reaction. You will soon be able to create Platinum Technite without using Technetium if you so desire.

    Most of these reactions will sit unused at any given time, and that is by design. Alchemy will kick in as a pressure valve in case prices of any moon mineral spike. As long as prices remain low there is no need to bypass the original mineral.
    Since enterprising individuals will soon be able to find the details of the reactions from test patches, I’ll give the technical details of the reactions below for your perusal. Like I said above, speculating on these changes is to be done at your own risk as we reserve the right to change anything anytime should we see a good reason. You will notice that we are starting these reactions at the same conversion rate as the original alchemy instead of the conversion rate of current boosted alchemy. These ratios can and likely will change over subsequent releases as we adjust the system.
    I will also repeat that this change is only the first step in our plan to revamp the methods by which the materials for tech two ships and modules are collected and used. We will be taking the time we need to do it right, but that process starts very soon in Inferno 1.2 with these alchemy changes.
    If you aren’t interested in the gory details feel free to skip this next part, but for those of you who have skipped over the whole blog looking for numbers here are the most recent set of planned reactions for your mathematical enjoyment:
    100 Titanium and 100 Vanadium reacts into 1 Unrefined Vanadium Hafnite refines into 10 Vanadium Hafnite and 95 Vanadium
    100 Cobalt and 100 Platinum reacts into 1 Unrefined Platinum Technite refines into 10 Platinum Technite and 95 Platinum
    100 Scandium and 100 Chromium reacts into 1 Unrefined Solerium refines into 10 Solerium and 95 Chromium
    100 Scandium and 100 Cadmium reacts into 1 Unrefined Caesarium Cadmide refines into 10 Caesarium Cadmide and 95 Cadmium
    100 Evaporite Deposits and 100 Atmospheric Gases reacts into 1 Unrefined Hexite refines into 10 Hexite - -
    100 Atmospheric Gases and 100 Tungsten reacts into 1 Unrefined Rolled Tungsten Alloy refines into 10 Rolled Tungsten Alloy and 95 Tungsten
    100 Evaporite Deposits and 100 Titanium reacts into 1 Unrefined Titanium Chromide refines into 10 Titanium Chromide and 95 Titanium
    100 Hydrocarbons and 100 Scandium reacts into 1 Unrefined Fernite Alloy refines into 10 Fernite Alloy and 95 Scandium
    100 Silicates and 100 Cobalt reacts into 1 Unrefined Crystallite Alloy refines into 10 Crystallite Alloy and 95 Cobalt
    Thanks for reading and I hope you enjoy this and all the other changes we have planned for Inferno 1.2.
    CCP Fozzie

    P.S. If you like this change you should click the link to the comment thread at the top of this page, find my first post in the thread and hit like.


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    hehe no cobalt left in jita.

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    g00ns had inside dev knowledge :tinfoil:

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    why the fuck can quackbot still n ot use apostrophes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amantus View Post
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    Someone done the math yet of how much platinum techntie would cost through alchemy with current prices?

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    I'm completely useless when it comes to production and min/maxing this stuff, but I look forward to experts critiquinbg these changes I am however hopeful that this will change the balance of power a bit. And although it's probably very long term, I'm really interested if moon goo will become irrelevant by the following:
    The end goal is for the materials for tech two production to come from player activities that require group gameplay and risk taking, and that provide appropriate rewards. This will eventually involve changes to both resource collection and the build requirements for construction of tech two materials and items.
    This could have HUGE implications
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    So, with the current numbers you lose money making Platinum Technite with cobalt

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCP Fozzie View Post
    Now if I've learned anything about prison from television (and who hasn't), it's that the first thing you should do when you arrive is find the biggest guy around and beat the living daylights out of him so everyone knows not to mess with you. Since I figure most imaginary prison advice should be fairly transferrable I came in here and decided to piss off the goons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CCP Fozzie View Post
    Now if I've learned anything about prison from television (and who hasn't), it's that the first thing you should do when you arrive is find the biggest guy around and beat the living daylights out of him so everyone knows not to mess with you. Since I figure most imaginary prison advice should be fairly transferrable I came in here and decided to piss off the goons.
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    100 Cobalt 43,000
    100 Platinu 277,600
    Total 320,600
    Total p/unit 32,060

    1 tech 172,000
    1 plat 2,776
    Total 174,776
    Total p/unit 87,388

    So, its cheaper with the new reactions

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    Yeah cobalt supply disappeared from jita within 30 minutes of posting the dev blog. GG and all.

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    Wow only took them three years, since no one at all figured out that Tech would spike, long before the T2 production changes.

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