Higgs Boson finally discovered?

[tulip]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

Reduce mass in proportion to incoming G-forces, inertia dampeners for your war planes, lots of small kinetic only bombs mass increases after release, increased payload. If they ever did make effective projected mass-altering field inducers then hopefully another geneva/hague convention would ban solitons/pancakers but it might not even be needed, guns are after all pretty good at killing people and most recent military advances have been concentrating on range and accuracy over sheer casualties per shot, we have nukes for that.

[ChaeDoc II]

In layman's terms, what are the practical applications the discovery of the H-B is projected to lead to/assist with?

Well first of all i'm vetoing the idea that humanity is going to abbreviate it into a name that can be mistaken with a pencil.

[Pattern]

"ISS has no scientific value" lol, good article.

Easily scientific and worth it's value in hundreds of billions because of stuff like this.

[Nordstern]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

US military has been researching antimatter weapons for over a decade, as a way to evade the ban on nukes.

[Zeekar]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

US military has been researching antimatter weapons for over a decade, as a way to evade the ban on nukes.

And even there CERN is ahead of them.

[Tellenta]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

US military has been researching antimatter weapons for over a decade, as a way to evade the ban on nukes.

Nukes aren't banned.

[Nordstern]

It's a gentleman's agreement to not use nukes, whatever.

[Zeekar]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

US military has been researching antimatter weapons for over a decade, as a way to evade the ban on nukes.

Nukes aren't banned.

Yes they are. Just nobody gives a fuck about that treaty.

[Tellenta]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

US military has been researching antimatter weapons for over a decade, as a way to evade the ban on nukes.

Nukes aren't banned.

Yes they are. Just nobody gives a fuck about that treaty.

I can dig up thousands of resources about a nuclear TEST ban treaty, but nothing that bans them outright. Care to share, otherwise I'm going to stand by my statement.

[Zeekar]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

US military has been researching antimatter weapons for over a decade, as a way to evade the ban on nukes.

Nukes aren't banned.

Yes they are. Just nobody gives a fuck about that treaty.

I can dig up thousands of resources about a nuclear TEST ban treaty, but nothing that bans them outright. Care to share, otherwise I'm going to stand by my statement.

Nah you're right. Nordstern was right its closer to a gentleman agreement of disarming them, and not using them.

[Pattern]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

US military has been researching antimatter weapons for over a decade, as a way to evade the ban on nukes.

Nukes aren't banned.

Yes they are. Just nobody gives a fuck about that treaty.

I can dig up thousands of resources about a nuclear TEST ban treaty, but nothing that bans them outright. Care to share, otherwise I'm going to stand by my statement.

Nah you're right. Nordstern was right its closer to a gentleman agreement of disarming them, and not using them.

Relevant:
http://blip.tv/ctbtomedia/1945-1998-...n-2003-1671472

[Skidrowpunk]

"ISS has no scientific value" lol, good article.

Easily scientific and worth it's value in hundreds of billions because of stuff like this.

I was pointing out how silly a statement like that was, and the bias of the article (although it's not entirely bad).

Cool vid!

[Tarminic]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

Reduce mass in proportion to incoming G-forces, inertia dampeners for your war planes, lots of small kinetic only bombs mass increases after release, increased payload. If they ever did make effective projected mass-altering field inducers then hopefully another geneva/hague convention would ban solitons/pancakers but it might not even be needed, guns are after all pretty good at killing people and most recent military advances have been concentrating on range and accuracy over sheer casualties per shot, we have nukes for that.

Nevermind the incredible things you can do by reducing the mass of your vehicles. Design an aircraft carrier like a speedboat, cut its mass by 95% and you can deploy it across the globe at a few hundred knots instead of, you know, 28.

[Cool09]

If you can reduce something's mass by 95% then why even bother with the ocean surface? Avenger's style carrier incoming.

[Pattern]

I was pointing out how silly a statement like that was, and the bias of the article (although it's not entirely bad).

Cool vid!

I know, I raised my eye at that bit too...
Personally, I kinda feel that the LHC would be deemed as a failure if all it discovered was the higgs. Susy, extra dimensions, black holes or gravitons, none of them have emerged so far, and would/should have if they would have been discoverable based on current theories. There are no more known unknowns, and any unknown unknowns are so far beyond our ability to stumble across them that it may be a very long time indeed before we get excited about these things of experiments again. Essentially, particle physicists may have to become astronomers if they want experiments to test theories.

As for tangible things to come out of it? I'm sure we'll get fast computers, probably better material science, practical experience with working with superfluid helium in the short term. In the long term maybe fusion power because of involvement with ITER? Beyond that i'm not so sure, it is a 50 year old theory, maybe it depends on the actual values of the higgs??

As for mass cancelation? Until we can deal with heisenberg's uncertainty principle, a mass effect machine will almost certainly make something explode.

The ISS is a massive resource and has provided a platform, bridge and destination between 1980's style big-space exploration to unmanned and private transportation. It's also run hundreds of experiments with many small, but fascinating discoveries that have provided immeasurable value to engineers, chemists and biologists.

[Tellenta]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

US military has been researching antimatter weapons for over a decade, as a way to evade the ban on nukes.

Nukes aren't banned.

Yes they are. Just nobody gives a fuck about that treaty.

I can dig up thousands of resources about a nuclear TEST ban treaty, but nothing that bans them outright. Care to share, otherwise I'm going to stand by my statement.

Nah you're right. Nordstern was right its closer to a gentleman agreement of disarming them, and not using them.

He was probably thinking of the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty, which also is not a ban. It's more an attempt to keep the cat in the bags the world already has. Either way if someone tests an antimatter bomb on the basis of technicalities I am reasonably certain every one will call bullshit.

[Nordstern]

I was probably thinking of MAD, but okay.

[Tellenta]

I was probably thinking of MAD, but okay.

MAD is the U.S. (the Soviets prob had their own) plan to destroy all the things. Which is the polar opposite of a ban.

edit: the cold war was fucking insane.

[Frug]

~ and someone, somewhere, is probably already trying to deduce how we can make a better bomb with this knowledge.

US military has been researching antimatter weapons for over a decade, as a way to evade the ban on nukes.

*frysquint* Even if there WAS a ban on nukes, why would you believe that it's a ban you can evade by using antimatter weapons? Do you think Russia or China would be like "oh well we can't use nukes because there's a ban, but they have antimatter so I guess that's ok"? Seriously? *facepalm*

[Skidrowpunk]

I was pointing out how silly a statement like that was, and the bias of the article (although it's not entirely bad).

Cool vid!

I know, I raised my eye at that bit too...
Personally, I kinda feel that the LHC would be deemed as a failure if all it discovered was the higgs. Susy, extra dimensions, black holes or gravitons, none of them have emerged so far, and would/should have if they would have been discoverable based on current theories. There are no more known unknowns, and any unknown unknowns are so far beyond our ability to stumble across them that it may be a very long time indeed before we get excited about these things of experiments again. Essentially, particle physicists may have to become astronomers if they want experiments to test theories.

As for tangible things to come out of it? I'm sure we'll get fast computers, probably better material science, practical experience with working with superfluid helium in the short term. In the long term maybe fusion power because of involvement with ITER? Beyond that i'm not so sure, it is a 50 year old theory, maybe it depends on the actual values of the higgs??

As for mass cancelation? Until we can deal with heisenberg's uncertainty principle, a mass effect machine will almost certainly make something explode.

The ISS is a massive resource and has provided a platform, bridge and destination between 1980's style big-space exploration to unmanned and private transportation. It's also run hundreds of experiments with many small, but fascinating discoveries that have provided immeasurable value to engineers, chemists and biologists.

It just boggles me that more is not put into space exploration/devleopment/theory etc in general. Unfortunately , I think there are a very select few people that can make a difference that actually realize Earth will eventually be "full". Even if we make the whole planet a city, Coruscant-esque.