CCP, ISD, and attempts to clean up the eve-o forums

[Tsubutai]

There's a big thread on eve-o here concerning CCP's attempts to change the nature of the discussions on the official forums by introducing a group of volunteer moderators - the ISD CCL team. These guys have been active and extremely heavy-handed in their moderation over the last few weeks, provoking... considerable displeasure among regular eve-o posters. This prompted a series of forum protests, which resulted in even more heavy handed moderation, the deletion of large chunks of people's posts, and multiple forum bans. CCP Navigator then started a feedback thread in which he outlined CCP's objectives for the official forums; some choice quotes are presented below:

Players who do not want to be part of fair and reasonable discussions on these forums will soon find they do not belong on this discussion area at all.


Other thrid party sites do not have a legal obligation to keep their forums teen rated and suitable for 13 year olds. We do. This means that wht other forums can allow we are not able to permit. [sic]


Ok, here is what I will say about the use of 'Jewgold', Jewing' and other terms of that nature. They don't add anything of value to a discussion. The very terminology is offensive to many and completely unnecessary. There are many of our players who are Jewish and they should not be subjected to phrasing which makes them and others feel uncomfortable.


CCP do not tolerate religious, racial or sexist messaging which is used to cause discomfort to other players.


'Crap posts' are not necessarily a problem. Abusive, spiteful and hateful posts most certainly are.


Quick question, what is the value in calling someone 'dumb'? As someone who frequents the forums you must surely be aware that giving out an insult generally results in getting an insult back thus setting up a cycle of deterioration in the thread. Do you feel that good threads being derailed in this manner benefits the community in general? Do you find that threads of these nature go on to become threads for the betterment of the community?


Once again, we want you all to be vocal. We want you discussing EVE, why you love it, why you hate it, what you would like to see in the future and more. Our only request from you is that you do it in a way that makes your fellow players and our Developers comfortable in having that discussion with you.


The latest rules we have are to provide a better environment for Developers and players to talk. That is our primary goal.

TL,DR - CCP seem to be making a fairly serious attempt to ensure that the official forums are PG-13 and provide a seemingly polite and decorous environment but are not focusing on what I would consider to be the worst and most offputting aspect of the official forums, viz. the prevalence of terrible uninformed low-content (alt-)posting.

[Jack bubu]

While i dont have a problem with going against all the trolling and shitposting especially in GD, volunteer moderators is literally the worst thing ccp can do

[Evelgrivion]

The worst and most offputting aspects of the forums don't constitute a significant part of the problem with their ratings compliance obligations; the forums are shit, but CCP doesn't have any requirement to fix that.

[Rakshasa The Cat]

I can still call people retards on this forum, so I'm all good.

[Intigo]

holy shit do I love CCP looking like fucking morons

you should go quote the CCP posters during the HYDRA / OUTBREAK ban

[Tsubutai]

The worst and most offputting aspects of the forums don't constitute a significant part of the problem with their ratings compliance obligations; the forums are shit, but CCP doesn't have any requirement to fix that.

I wasn't aware that the game's rating was affected by the contents of the official forums - I was under the impression that it only applied to stuff in the actual game.

[Sofia Roseburn]

Oh look, this is exactly like ISD forum moderating of old e.g. fucking gash. Community moderating on official game forums is a shit sandwich in a can that's several years out of date, and there's a reason that they shut down the old group.

tl;dr nbs

[Chakrai]

Ok, here is what I will say about the use of 'Jewgold', Jewing' and other terms of that nature. They don't add anything of value to a discussion. The very terminology is offensive to many and completely unnecessary. There are many of our players who are Jewish and they should not be subjected to phrasing which makes them and others feel uncomfortable.

Do you know who else hated anything to do with the Jews?

CCP you monster!

[Intigo]

ccp is literally worse than hitler

[KathDougans]

Why now? and not 7+ years ago ?

[Glyken Touchon]

Action will be taken against anyone that is abusive to GS members during hulkageddons. C/D?

The rules aren't really a problem, it's the fact that they will most likely be selectively applied.

[Loire]

Why the fuck does CCP care about a PG-13 rating? Christ. Just because you have a possible wider market doesn't mean you're going to pull in more cash.

[ry ry]

Why the fuck does CCP care about a PG-13 rating? Christ. Just because you have a possible wider market doesn't mean you're going to pull in more cash.

Eve isn't exacly known for it's classy playerbase, and spirit of relaxed bonhomie. it is known for drooling spergelords screaming apopleptic rage at their spittle-flecked screens.

It doesn't offend me, but it's sadly ironic that you'd have to make eve child friendly to make it less childish.

[Spartan Dax]

Yeah well, the Devs started it!

[Sparq]

I have to say, EVE has never struck me as being a PG-13 game.

Otherwise, @

[Ophichius]

Welp, now investing all my money in popcorn commodities. It's gonna be a hell of summer.



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[Evelgrivion]

The worst and most offputting aspects of the forums don't constitute a significant part of the problem with their ratings compliance obligations; the forums are shit, but CCP doesn't have any requirement to fix that.

I wasn't aware that the game's rating was affected by the contents of the official forums - I was under the impression that it only applied to stuff in the actual game.

If I recall correctly, anything that directly pertains to the game service has to comply with ratings requirements, but I could be completely wrong.

[ry ry]

Hmm, thinking about it i'm pretty sure the SoE epic arc features some relatively fruity language. Wonder if that'll be the baseline or if CCP will edit the mission text?

[Lorkin Desal]

I'm not overly concerned by the CCL chappies, but then all my posts are wonderous to read and I am what they dream of becoming at night.

I can understand, and even support them deleting all the posts that whine about pubbies, space jews jew gold, bears etc. They dont actually bring anything to the table.

[ry ry]

that's what a pubbie jewbear would say.