Since it seems like it's rebalancing week here at FHC, how about that Fleet Scythe?

[Ophichius]

So, got bored, tried to fit a Fleet Scythe. Jesus Christ what was CCP thinking?

Fleet Scythe is unabashedly terrible.

It's a ship that has no fucking clue what it wants to be, but it's not doing whatever the hell it's supposed to do. It's a 'Miniature Typhoon' without the resilience or flexibility of the Typhoon in any area.

My suggestion to solve that:

6/4/4 H/M/L (+1 Low)
4 launchers, 4 turrets (+1 each)
75m3 drone bay, 50Mbit drone bandwidth. (+50m3, +25 Mbit)
335 CPU (+75)
1045 PG (+300)

This lets it fit something like this:
[Scythe Fleet Issue, Sure Why Not]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Internal Force Field Array I
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5

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Which is 28k EHP, 483 DPS. Not outrageous, but more on par with an actually useful combat ship, especially combined with the low sigrad.

The logic behind the 4/4 hardpoint division is that it lets you pick your primary weapon system to a greater extent and thus tailor your use of damage mods a bit better, and mirror's the Typhoon's flexibility in having more hardpoints than highs.

The drone upgrades are to give the Fleet Scythe both more punch, and the option to field a flight of backup drones.

I considered a 6/3/5 layout, but aside from the fact that this would simply mimic the Rupture layout exactly, it opened the door for too many LSE + nano shenanigans with that many lows and the small sigrad the ship has.

I'm not 100% confident in this, but I figure it can't possibly be any -worse- than the current FScythe.

-O

[Lallante]

No

[Rudolf Miller]

No

Why

[W0lf Crendraven]

I want a fleet scythe with an afterburner speed bonus, (so that its unique in its class), somehow more dps, and better cap! Something like a minmatar 100mn tengu with less dps and tank and speed but at with a very small pricetag!

Ive given this idea abolutly no thought and i have no idea if its balanced but its what i want!

Also it should look cooler!

[RoemySchneider]

too bad their ambitions of getting rid of the split weapon bollox ended after the second attempt (phoon, nagl)


but if you want to make it unique....
+20% loot chance per level
+5% damage to ANY weapon system per level (yay, cross skilling)
+10% efficiency of damage control units per level
+20% rig efficiency per level
or whatever vOv

[Rudolf Miller]

too bad their ambitions of getting rid of the split weapon bollox ended after the second attempt (phoon, nagl)


but if you want to make it unique....
+20% loot chance per level
+5% damage to ANY weapon system per level (yay, cross skilling)
+10% efficiency of damage control units per level
+20% rig efficiency per level
or whatever vOv

15% more rust per level

[RoemySchneider]

touché

[Tyrus Tenebros]

too bad their ambitions of getting rid of the split weapon bollox ended after the second attempt (phoon, nagl)


but if you want to make it unique....
+20% loot chance per level
+5% damage to ANY weapon system per level (yay, cross skilling)
+10% efficiency of damage control units per level
+20% rig efficiency per level
or whatever vOv

What.

[prometheus]

the only thing wrong with the fleet scythe is it's abysmal fitting.
if that were fixed, the ship would be pretty badass.

[Ophichius]

the only thing wrong with the fleet scythe is it's abysmal fitting.
if that were fixed, the ship would be pretty badass.

So, copy and paste PG and CPU from Rupture, solve problem?

-O

[StevieTopSiders]

I really like the OP's ideas and the AB speed bonus.

Make it so, Number One.

[RoemySchneider]

considering this thing is rather light and not too slow, memories of the assault frig experiment with ABs come to mind

[Ophichius]

considering this thing is rather light and not too slow, memories of the assault frig experiment with ABs come to mind

Rather light, not too slow -and- already running around with only 90m sigrad. AB bonus would push it straight over into the realm of 'fuck me I can't hit that with anything'.

-O

[Siva Surya]

The problem with trying to balance this ship is that it's hard to make it good/decent without infringing upon SFI or Vaga/Cyna territory. The only thing I can think of (off the top of my head) is to give it a range bonus so that it becomes a mini Cynabal/Vaga with less dps and ehp (which makes sense given that it's far cheaper). Still, that's not exactly optimal, as it wouldn't justify the price over a shield Rupture. I think Prom has a better idea with giving it more CPU/grid, though even then it needs another bonus/better bonus to make it worth it over a shield Rupture.

[Daniel L'Siata]

They used to be quite respectable in the nano-age and that was the reason for their inclusion.

Perhaps pseudo-revive this ideal for this particular line of ships? I like the idea of the AB bonus, but that would likely be a bit ridiculous. Perhaps something like the new AF bonus? Would make it fast and maneuverable while reasonably survivable, but not on the "OMGWTFCANTHIXITHAX" level of an AB bonus. Any form of role bonus should really be expanded to the whole line if implemented though, or give them all a niche of some sort.
The base stats and fittings of the entire line desperately need to be looked at as well.

I like the idea of the T1.5 Vaga/Cynabal. Like how the CNI is a T1.5 Cerberus and the Gila a T1.5 Ishtar in some respects.

[Lallante]

It should be a scythe with a bit more DPS and HPs. Job done

[Rudolf Miller]

It should be a scythe with a bit more DPS and HPs. Job done

Just like how easy it is to change logi warp speed amirite

[RoemySchneider]

my work here is done