[Devblog] The FW Exploit 2012 (or: How I learned about FOREX)

[Mike deVoid]

In terms of obviously flawed game design, this is the equivalent the inventory fuck up tbh. I want to know what processes will be put in place to ensure neither happen again.

[Rakshasa The Cat]

In terms of obviously flawed game design, this is the equivalent the inventory fuck up tbh. I want to know what processes will be put in place to ensure neither happen again.

None... Except perhaps more instrumentation of data that really should always be projected onto a wall at CCP HQ, in the lobby and all entrances that Devs might use to enter the building, just so that they can look, see, and oh fuck, why is that graph in the corner suddenly spiking that's not possible ffs.

In any case, these kinds of things inevitably get caught, perpetrators get punished (unless goon) and shit get nuked.

[Krugerrand]

Ugh, I don't want to defend CCP, I just said that they said they had metrics that indicated something was going on somewhere because lots of people said they didn't. Obviously they didn't know exactly what was going on.

Personally I'd be surprised if they didn't notice it eventually so I don't find it hard to believe they noticed something, but were just slow as hell to actually see if something was up.

They didn't notice there was more Ferrogel in the game than was ever possible for several years. Why would you have any faith in CCP having any clue wtf they are doing?

Also pretty sure some of the Germans reported that when they first noticed the bug and CCP still ignored it.

[Madner Kami]

Except perhaps more instrumentation of data that really should always be projected onto a wall at CCP HQ, in the lobby and all entrances that Devs might use to enter the building [...]

Do want at my home O.O

P.S.: Minus the Devs running around.

[Rans]

In terms of obviously flawed game design, this is the equivalent the inventory fuck up tbh. I want to know what processes will be put in place to ensure neither happen again.

None... Except perhaps more instrumentation of data that really should always be projected onto a wall at CCP HQ, in the lobby and all entrances that Devs might use to enter the building, just so that they can look, see, and oh fuck, why is that graph in the corner suddenly spiking that's not possible ffs.

In any case, these kinds of things inevitably get caught, perpetrators get punished (unless goon) and shit get nuked.

You'd need a shitload of screens considering how much data ccp has to keep track of

[Madner Kami]

You'd need a shitload of screens considering how much data ccp has to keep track of

*coughs* Beamers *coughs* Screens are so 2011...

[Rakshasa The Cat]

You'd need a shitload of screens considering how much data ccp has to keep track of

You actually only need to have the main indicators tracked.

E.g. if total amount of LP paid was monitored, even if it included mission LP there would have been a rather weird 'bump' that should have made any reasonably curious dev say... hey... what is that?

[Mfume]

E.g. if total amount of LP paid was monitored, even if it included mission LP there would have been a rather weird 'bump' that should have made any reasonably curious dev say... hey... what is that?

What you're describing isn't an dev's job, it's an analyst's.

[Amantus]

'a quackbot always pays his debts'

a hilmar always pays his debts

[AmaNutin]

'a quackbot always pays his debts'

a hilmar always pays his debts

a iceland does not always pays his debts

[Qwert]

I have a feeling that while a large blip for FW LP, this whole thing was a minor bump if you looked at a graph with all LP on it.

[DevilDude]

In terms of obviously flawed game design, this is the equivalent the inventory fuck up tbh. I want to know what processes will be put in place to ensure neither happen again.

this, once I read up on the system I figured out four different ways to abuse it on top of this one, none of them involve infinite returns but any one could really fuck up the market.

[Rakshasa The Cat]

E.g. if total amount of LP paid was monitored, even if it included mission LP there would have been a rather weird 'bump' that should have made any reasonably curious dev say... hey... what is that?

What you're describing isn't an dev's job, it's an analyst's.

Yes, only an analyst can be allowed to look at Data, mere programmers could only shoot themselves in their collective feet if they were to get too close to Data.

[Glyken Touchon]

I have a feeling that while a large blip for FW LP, this whole thing was a minor bump if you looked at a graph with all LP on it.

isn't that what the graph shows?

To illustrate the impact graphically, this is a nice little picture showing LP earned thus far in 2012 CCP Stilman calls "LP Made in total ever" because he doesn't believe in life before February 2012.

no indication that the graph only shows FW LP.

[Zavior]

Considering you could make millions of fw lp daily in fw even before this, I doubt it :3

[Fourfingers frankie]

Essentially they need to program a redflag for anything from items to ore to nic to characters that shows a change outside standard correlation.

Would have prevented a lot of exploits and give them a better view on economic.

[helgur]

E.g. if total amount of LP paid was monitored, even if it included mission LP there would have been a rather weird 'bump' that should have made any reasonably curious dev say... hey... what is that?

What you're describing isn't an dev's job, it's an analyst's.

Yes, only an analyst can be allowed to look at Data, mere programmers could only shoot themselves in their collective feet if they were to get too close to Data.

[Rakshasa The Cat]

You are a Master of Image Linking.

[Mfume]

Yes, only an analyst can be allowed to look at Data, mere programmers could only shoot themselves in their collective feet if they were to get too close to Data.

I too, have my wiring done by a plumber.

fake-edit: i thought this was something their economist was supposed to be monitoring, if not that, what does he do all day? (or is it a contractual thing)

[AmaNutin]

Yes, only an analyst can be allowed to look at Data, mere programmers could only shoot themselves in their collective feet if they were to get too close to Data.

I too, have my wiring done by a plumber.

fake-edit: i thought this was something their economist was supposed to be monitoring, if not that, what does he do all day? (or is it a contractual thing)

I would like to find outif they even employ the man anymore- they might have removed him from their payroll during the cuts.