Goons something something 5 trillion

[Stoffl]

So basically,
Thanks for the abstract m8.


Any idea which faction they we're in ?

[Rakshasa The Cat]

What I can't understand is that if they run the price update scripts manually (on fridays, or what ever it was), why didn't they make it automatically check for suspicious price changes?

Show the items that changed the most since last update, and also add alerts if items change too much.

[Ted Breakers]

I raged when i went to cash in my mech eng datacores the other day expecting a nice ¬2bil payout and the total value came to only 500mil... At least now i know why. Fucking goons >.>

TBH i woulda done the same if i'd spotted the loop, though i woulda kept schtum about it but then Gonns gotta goon...

Holding onto the cores in hope the market stabilizes after CCP patch this shit out.

[Max Teranous]

I think most people who've been around a while saw this one coming a mile off. I applaud the level the Goons took it to, and Dr what's his face should have seen this possibility (well, probability of happening) in the design before it got anywhere near TQ. Then again, who's to say he'd have looked at it.

Do we have an actual isk & LP value of the total haul? :effort: to go look myself.

Max

[theBlind]

That is the question, isn't it?

Buy at artificially deflated prices in the hope that CCP will take goons stockpile away (but not what I bought from them) and then relist at normal prices.
Or, if CCP won't take the stuffs from goons, you'd sit with a pile of ISK bound in stuff that is under an artificial price barrier and might not move in a long time.

[Redclaws]

Jeez, another one of these exploits CCP was too slow to fix.

There is literally too much money in this game.

[RoemySchneider]

Jeez, another one of these exploits CCP was too slow to fix.

There is literally too much money in this game.

well, at least this was done within the confinements of the EULA/ToS and required a certain level of commitment, work, a weee bit of brain and an equal amount of coin, i guess -.-
... unlike automated belt ravens

[Zoidberg]

Jeez, another one of these exploits CCP was too slow to fix.

There is literally too much money in this game.

I don't know if you were implying this or not, but I'm pretty sure what the Goons did was, ironically, an ISK sink, not a faucet.

[Durzel]

Isn't it going to be ridiculously trivial to work out who gets the banhammer from this?

I mean this isn't the 4 year long slow refining exploit (which I note CCP also banned for), they know the exact date at which point this became possible, and the linked thread talks about people having to moderate their behaviour to avoid potentially hitting the wraparound on 32-bit integers for LP, etc.

It's not a stretch to think that there will be a number of accounts/characters that suddenly, and completely inconsistently with their previous history, made hundreds of billions. Factor in the LP involvement and it's not going to take a SQL genius to fill in the blanks.

I know people like to paint CCP as idiots but they have shown more than once that they have the capability to track where illicit ISK moves.

[Redclaws]

Let me rephrase that: There are too many uber-rich people/alliances in EVE. So many even that isk has nearly no value in large scale conflicts. When is the last time an alliance died because they ran out of money to fund the sov/replacement/posfuel costs?

[cheeba]

When is the last time an alliance died because they ran out of money to fund the sov/replacement/posfuel costs?

Never, even 6 years ago when there was much less isk around, morale and motivation were always the first to run out in a conflict. and so it remains today.

[stormyfs-shitpoastin]

... and Dr what's his face should have seen this possibility (well, probability of happening) in the design before it got anywhere near TQ.

Chances are, he looked at it and saw nothing wrong whatsoever :icelandiceconomist:

[Zoidberg]

When is the last time an alliance died because they ran out of money to fund the sov/replacement/posfuel costs?

Never, even 6 years ago when there was much less isk around, morale and motivation were always the first to run out in a conflict. and so it remains today.

Yeah, that's pretty much true. Though, I don't necessarily disagree with what Redclaws said in that ISK loses its value at certain levels of the game. That's a problem that isn't easily surmounted though, and has been lingering in EVE for years.

[Traxio Nacho]

When is the last time an alliance died because they ran out of money to fund the sov/replacement/posfuel costs?

Never, even 6 years ago when there was much less isk around, morale and motivation were always the first to run out in a conflict. and so it remains today.

Often Morale and motivation were hurt if the corp/alliance didn't have the funds to replace ships especially when a BS cost 170mil fitted and 170mil was a lot of isk.

[ry ry]

that's largely the problem with the 0.0 alliance endgame in eve - infinite wealth.

Without balancing by cost - because that is s shit idea. see titans. followed a few months later by entire fleets made up entirely of titans. followed by basic PL recruitment requirements being owning at least two personal titans. Even Snigwaffe require recruits to have carrier V and jdc V these days.

And it's not improving - as entities become richer, they become more difficult to displace. Whatever they say, will is not there to set the galaxy on fire. fighting a war like that is :effort: apparently,

Eve needs to have some massive isk sinks to make running a galactic empire an expensive business, to make holding tech moons miles away from your powerbase a difficult proposition, to make running a JB spanning multiple regions network more difficult. Becoming a massive powerbloc should carry consequence aswell as protection.

If nothing else it'd help turn the influence map into a glorious fractal of innumerable smaller - and smaller still - entities banding together, backstabbing and fighting a myriad of wars in an constantly shifting political landscape. grubby back-ally knife fights are every bit as important as supercapital ships being deployed to fight for some tedious isk printer natural resources.

none of this 3-powerblocs-and-everybody-else-in-hisec shit.

[ry ry]

Hmm. That sounds all bitter and jealous, doesn't it?

I'm really not, i'd just like to see a more.. i dunno.. varied ecosystem i guess.

[Lallante]

Those pax amarrias were classic.

And BoB bridging mass freighter-loads of enriched uranium across the south-west to make bank on NPC buy orders.

I was involved in that, the amounts of isk involved were (relatively speaking) pretty small, no single person made the cost of a supercap for example, for a considerable period of effort.

[prometheus]

So basically,
Thanks for the abstract m8.


Any idea which faction they we're in ?

minmatar.

in their thread they brag about their efficiency to take/upgrade systems with nobody noticing, and the fw pubbies thinking they were doing a really good job because of it.

[Zeekar]

Those pax amarrias were classic.

And BoB bridging mass freighter-loads of enriched uranium across the south-west to make bank on NPC buy orders.

I was involved in that, the amounts of isk involved were (relatively speaking) pretty small, no single person made the cost of a supercap for example, for a considerable period of effort.

You're a liar or you're bullshiting.
What was that faggy fucker from dice paid his entire titan with that in less then a month.

[Jade Constantine]

So basically,
Thanks for the abstract m8.


Any idea which faction they we're in ?

minmatar.

in their thread they brag about their efficiency to take/upgrade systems with nobody noticing, and the fw pubbies thinking they were doing a really good job because of it.

In all likelihood they took no systems whatsoever.
They probably upgraded a significant number of systems (enough to help keep the store at 4 for a few weeks)
They almost certainly provided the final kick to push minmatar loyalty store to tier 5.

The reason it had to be minmatar was that they had enough systems already to make the jump to tier 5 if only enough lp was invested in upgrades simultaneously. Any other faction would require :actual effort: in ensuring they won the war first before this could work.