So is this thread for +1s now or not? There are way too many words for me to bother reading.
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So is this thread for +1s now or not? There are way too many words for me to bother reading.
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Has anyone ever claimed that men are the only ones who unfairly put pressure on women to look like supermodels?
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Came to thread expecting tits.
Leaving dissapoint.
Are you referring to other women.Originally Posted by Tarminic
Or women (and other men) pressuring men to look like action heroes?
I tried to be cool and all I got was a lousy warning about my sig being too big.
Not often or ever I say this but Krans anime posting is probably an improvement on this thread.
I'm asserting that it's just as prevalent among men but it isn't really thought of as a "disorder" quite as much. And Hatepeace was talking about women's magazines in that context, asserting that they were a significant cause of social insecurity among women. I thought it was relevant to point out that such social insecurities aren't solely the domain of male influence. In fact I would go as far as to say that it's predominantly women who are orchestrating this "perfect body" myth.
And in light of that I suppose it wouldn't be ridiculous of me to say that these "exploitative" tropes we see in games aren't some male dominated patriarchal, sexist, misogynist campaign against women but rather an expression of a society that's shaped by BOTH sexes.
sooo we can all agree that Jolin is the bad man?
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Little known fact: Krans is a better poster than about 2/3 of FHC.Not often or ever I say this but Krans anime posting is probably an improvement on this thread.
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This fucking HERESY of a post is atrocious and will not be tolerated!sooo we can all agree that Jolin is the bad man?
Expand this to acknowledge the male "perfect body"image stereotype and the prevalent use of expensive and sometimes dangerous supplements to build it and we have a winnarI'm asserting that it's just as prevalent among men but it isn't really thought of as a "disorder" quite as much. And Hatepeace was talking about women's magazines in that context, asserting that they were a significant cause of social insecurity among women. I thought it was relevant to point out that such social insecurities aren't solely the domain of male influence. In fact I would go as far as to say that it's predominantly women who are orchestrating this "perfect body" myth.
And in light of that I suppose it wouldn't be ridiculous of me to say that these "exploitative" tropes we see in games aren't some male dominated patriarchal, sexist, misogynist campaign against women but rather an expression of a society that's shaped by BOTH sexes.
I tried to be cool and all I got was a lousy warning about my sig being too big.
No one is claiming that social insecurities are solely the domain of male influence, and no one here thinks that.
Again, you're refuting points that no one in this thread has made. No one has claimed that the reason for the portrayal of women in videogames is due to any kind of conscious campaign against women. In fact, you're framing the entire issue incorrectly. We're not going around actively giving women big tits and small brains and then shouting "FOR THE PATRIARCHY!", it's embedded in our culture.And in light of that I suppose it wouldn't be ridiculous of me to say that these "exploitative" tropes we see in games aren't some male dominated patriarchal, sexist, misogynist campaign against women but rather an expression of a society that's shaped by BOTH sexes.
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Except that it applies to BOTH genders and the root proposition that women are systematically only portrayed in a stereotyped or troped role UNLIKE their supposedly more "complex" and better developed male counterparts is false, and at best a fading feature of video games and arguably countered by numerous examples of well-developed plots, characters, and entire games focusing on female protagonists.
Burden of proof argument.
Edit: to clarify, if nobody is arguing that the actual portrayal is the problem we're back to the "agency" issue and/or whether or not female characters are consistently or systematically MORE flat than their male.counterparts. since that isn't a null hypothesis the burden of proof is on those claiming that games are misogynistic as a whole.
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I tried to be cool and all I got was a lousy warning about my sig being too big.
Why do we have to bring gender studies to gaming? Gaming is supposed to cut you a break from the real world - not mirror it.
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This is really the big key right here. This is a issue of our society as a whole, and I personally dont see what singling out videogames for exhibiting this nature does about the greater issue surrounding it.
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Magazines are a huge part of it, I'd agree with that. Also the fashion industry, which is related. The 'feminists' being insulted throughout this thread have spent plenty of time and had a few successes in those areas by pushing for laws that you can imagine don't go over well with many of the guys here.
I'd say it's an issue of saturation. I think the point some guys are trying to make here about men and women both being portrayed in a certain light is so trivially false I couldn't even be bothered to argue much. The point was made earlier that searching a heavily biased sample for examples of hulking men doesn't show that the scales are balanced. It says a lot about some guys when you can bombard them with biased imagery and still have them come here and argue that it's not biased. Unattractive protagonist males are far more common than female ones, because we accept that they can make up for it with other traits. Women can't, because their only interface with the audience and by extension with society is their bodies. It's pretty deeply culturally entrenched.
It's not as bad in the UK as it is in the states from what I've seen, though. You have some patently unattractive women on a lot of shows there!
I wouldn't go that farLittle known fact: Krans is a better poster than about 2/3 of FHC.Not often or ever I say this but Krans anime posting is probably an improvement on this thread.
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Hemlines tend to fall during bad financial times (and rise during good times).
57% of all Americans in college are women.
Men lost jobs at twice the rate of women in the recent recession.
Have you looked at this thread?I wouldn't go that farLittle known fact: Krans is a better poster than about 2/3 of FHC.Not often or ever I say this but Krans anime posting is probably an improvement on this thread.
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Bolded your assumption here. No one is claiming that women are ONLY portrayed stereotypically, just that they're it's much more likely to compared to their male counterparts.
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Little known fact: Krans is a better poster than about 2/3 of FHC.Not often or ever I say this but Krans anime posting is probably an improvement on this thread.
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