XP + Office 2003 representing! Who needs the ribbon anyway?Originally Posted by Pattern
XP + Office 2003 representing! Who needs the ribbon anyway?
Just throwing it out there regarding resolution.. the pixel pitch is so damn small on the ipad that nobody can notice the fucking difference. More pixels than HD! Great! Too bad the human eye isn't capable of seeing it!
I'm on the 'let's see' train here. I think Microsoft is throwing the surface into the corporate market that just got up the balls to try to make the ipad work. I think they are a hair too late to the show for it, but there's still a chance. But the surface just may be a great solution for many things if the price point is right and it's usability isn't terribad.
This, so very much this.
I have prayed for this to happen every day for the last decade. Maybe if we're really lucky it will happen before I retire (In another 40 years or so).one of the best things that can happen is for that architecture to just fucking die and be replaced with something better, rather than being crammed into increasingly less suitable usage niches
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I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those Thukkers, that way I wouldn't have to have any goddamn stupid useless conversations with anybody.
I've actually had a fair few business clients look at iPads and change their minds because the exchange sync isn't all that. It works but it's voodoo as to how long and how well it works, and obviously there's no provision for accessing company databases (such as job log systems). If it works well on Windows RT then I can see it selling in business, a lot of small companies would love to outfit their engineers and mobile staff with something like this. Cost will be paramount - we've quoted HP Slates and Eee Slates before and been rebuffed because of the price per unit.
'I'm pro life. I'm a non-smoker. I'm a pro-life non-smoker. WOO, Let the party begin!'
I think they're shooting themselves in the foot offering the RT version. It dilutes and confuses the announcement and just straight up going for what amounts to a new-breed laptop replacement that handles like a tablet (and ideally has a pricepoint that reflects that) but is a fully functional laptop replacement would be a much bolder statement
I tried to be cool and all I got was a lousy warning about my sig being too big.
Sorry, you've no idea what you're talking about.
The only 'baggage' x86 has is the requirement for an additional stage to break x86 instructions down into uOps. Once that would have been a big deal, but the number of transistors required to do that job is fairly static and transistor budgets are now at the point where the x86 decoder logic takes up maybe 2% of the die. It's just not an issue anymore.a ARM chips can do upwards three times as much work on the same number of transistors because it's not dragging around 40 years of bad design baggage in a attempt to keep the backwards comparability and licensing gravy train going, it does not matter if intel chips run the "jeebus's second coming" instruction set on the inside, its still talking x86 to everything else, and x86 is still a gigantic bag of dicks at heart.
Go look at the reviews for Medfield-based phones. It's Intel's first go at a phone/tablet SoC and it's right there with current ARM cores in perf/watt terms. And that's despite being built on Intel's old 32nm process, not the rather more power efficient 22nm one. Also worth noting is that 64-bit operation is not that far away for phones (the US model Galaxy S3 already has 2GB of RAM) and modern x86/x64 designs become even more power efficient in x64 mode. 64-bit ARM processors aren't even on the market yet - nobody's managed to get one working well enough for release.
microsoft is just hedging their bets, ARM looks like its going to kill off x86 in the long run.
what puzzles me is the restriction to metro applications, its gimping the platform significantly from the get-go and almost assures that it wont be able to compete with Android or iOS on a even footing.
that means any success is going to come from leveraging their dominance in the stagnating desktop/laptop markets, hence the Winfail 8 strategy.
That's all well and good, except that it can.
That's crazy talk, next you'll be saying that we can notice more than 25 frames a second in video.That's all well and good, except that it can.
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By restrictions you mean?...
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see previous links about why WinRT is likely going to be a gigantic bag of fail for anything but the simplest things.By restrictions you mean?...
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nlycloudorlocalstorageanddatasourcesallowed:
I personally think MS are using this unique time in history to be is own biggest competitor, disruptively flicking the rest switch before stone else did whilst realising, and hinting that windows desktop was a evolutionary dead end.
Things like getting rid of file systems, none toxic menus and other paradigms that are practically poison are being trashed. The old developer centric, we're going to hold you by the hand and moddlecoldle engineers is over. It ended when they tried to pass windows 7 and win mob 6 as legitimate touch interfaces and where laughed out of town by consumers.
If those restrictions for developing metro apps really matter, I'm sure there will be concessions, but it really seems to me that your pissed that you can't design applications in the same way again? Which for better or worse is exactly the point.
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Last edited by Pattern; June 20 2012 at 10:57:04 PM.
Time will tell.
< Jolin> you're prety too LanaTorrin
Clearly mafia.
I would love to have something that worked like that to dock with my desktop computer.
ooooh, now I want to play Red Alert again.
Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.
"You give me the awful impression - I hate to have to say - of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position. Ever."
Ignoring the couple of pages of slerging about processor architectures that disappeared into the time space continuum, this is going to fail hard.
meh
I dunno, the fact that it can be a "laptop" with a keyboard and x86 processor may just solve the "only useful for shitposting from bed and angrybirds" that tablets have while keeping the "holy crap I can use this comfortably without a desk!" part.
Also, built in stylus. And you just know that Office 2012 will be able to use it properly. My biggest problem with laptop notes was always drawing diagrams.
The problem is, its going to be priced way over what the market wants to pay for a device like that (taken from the comment about being priced like an ultrabook). It's never going to be a great laptop because of the gimped OS, plus the fact that if its not a gimped OS people will try and run windows apps on it (i can explain why that's bad when in not on the train). Basically breaking windows compatability was the best thing to do with a tablet, and Microsoft still can't see that.I dunno, the fact that it can be a "laptop" with a keyboard and x86 processor may just solve the "only useful for shitposting from bed and angrybirds" that tablets have while keeping the "holy crap I can use this comfortably without a desk!" part.
Also, built in stylus. And you just know that Office 2012 will be able to use it properly. My biggest problem with laptop notes was always drawing diagrams.
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< Jolin> you're prety too LanaTorrin
Clearly mafia.
Just a link for the unimformed and lazy: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5770/l...medfield-phoneSorry, you've no idea what you're talking about.
The only 'baggage' x86 has is the requirement for an additional stage to break x86 instructions down into uOps. Once that would have been a big deal, but the number of transistors required to do that job is fairly static and transistor budgets are now at the point where the x86 decoder logic takes up maybe 2% of the die. It's just not an issue anymore.a ARM chips can do upwards three times as much work on the same number of transistors because it's not dragging around 40 years of bad design baggage in a attempt to keep the backwards comparability and licensing gravy train going, it does not matter if intel chips run the "jeebus's second coming" instruction set on the inside, its still talking x86 to everything else, and x86 is still a gigantic bag of dicks at heart.
Go look at the reviews for Medfield-based phones. It's Intel's first go at a phone/tablet SoC and it's right there with current ARM cores in perf/watt terms. And that's despite being built on Intel's old 32nm process, not the rather more power efficient 22nm one. Also worth noting is that 64-bit operation is not that far away for phones (the US model Galaxy S3 already has 2GB of RAM) and modern x86/x64 designs become even more power efficient in x64 mode. 64-bit ARM processors aren't even on the market yet - nobody's managed to get one working well enough for release.
Too much shit this thread by irrational Windows haters.
EDIT: This comming from a Linux user btw.
I have developed for both ARM and X86 and Xilinx Softcore, performance/Hz, and wattage/performance isn't that significant between the first two, with the softcore being much slower (while offering various other advantages).
I can only imagine that with the full force of Intels R&D behind mobile SoC, things are going to change. Might even be that your beloved iPads will use Intel SoC sometime in the future, and you are all going to praise it then.
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Disregarding Win 98 and Win ME (because thats a whole other story) the cycle should be:The windows suckage cycle means it HAS to be horrible.
Win 98 - Win ME - Win XP - Vista - Win 7 - Win 8
It being good would cause the universe to implode! Do you really want to get imploded?
Win XP 1 - Win XP 2 - Vista - Win 7 - Win 8
And the pattern is big change - minor change, its basically a funtion of peoples resistance to change.
Windows XP really should be cut into two because of how long its been in use. Its initial reception wasn't all that good, it had a lot of the same problems as vista, wouldnt run very well on old hardware poor driver support, and ofcourse the interface overhaul. Its only after it statyed the same for so long that people started to love it.
Vista was a pretty significant change to XP and people hated it. Win 7 is that same OS as Vista, bar some minor modifications, and people suddenly love it.
I fully expect Win 8's recption to be pretty poor, an MS probably does too. But its a change MS needs, and when they roll out Win 9, which will be a minor upgrade to Win 8, people will accept it anyway.
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