Reactive Armor Hardener Behavior

[kyrieee]

It has its uses

[Rudolf Miller]

To be fair, I think it penalizes you too heavily for the unique benefit of flexible resist profiles.

1) Reduce cap expendature
2) Increase adjustment rate
3) Change overheat bonus to increase maximum available resistance.

Then it's not a terrible module.

[Sparkus Volundar]

OH increasing the % adjusted per cycle might also be good.

[OrangeAfroMan]

I doubt it will ever beat 2x EAMN+Hardener or 2xHardener+EANM, even if it wasn't stacked.

[Rudolf Miller]

I doubt it will ever beat 2x EAMN+Hardener or 2xHardener+EANM, even if it wasn't stacked.

That's not the point of the module. It's supposed to make you situationally better to an enemy who is only capable of doing a specific type of damage, not beat out the standard EANM stack.

[OrangeAfroMan]

But cannot refit during spacecombat

[Tyrus Tenebros]

The base profile is virtually identical to a triple-stacked T2 EANM. Granted it uses cap (don't train the skill past... maybe 2 or possibly 3), but the resist shifting after already basically being identical is a nice little bonus.

[Marlona Sky]

A couple questions:

So basically with mx skill on that cycle time book (puts the module on a 5 sec cycle time) you have to be shot for 25 seconds before it finishes shifting? Provided the range incoming does not change its profile.

Also does it start to reset back to the 15% spread or does it keep the resistant profile till it is turned off?

[Daniel L'Siata]

AFAIK, that's how the shifting works. But I don't have nearly enough experience with them to confirm that.

If I remember correctly, it kept the resistance profile until I turned it off and it didn't attempt to recalibrate. But, again, no solid experience besides prelim tests I ran ages ago.

Love the idea and the skill book helped, but has anyone found a halfway decent use for this yet? I've liked them as the sole hardener on a couple of solo setups (Dual Rep Zealot f/ex) but haven't yet found any really good use for them. Haven't found them to be bad persay, but not really anything special either.

[Jericho Harkonenn]

Actually I think this could replace DC on cruiser ships and below. It gives the same amount of armor bonuses as a DC but with the ability to adapt to incoming damage. But you should only use them on ships which don't have a lot of hull otherwise it's probably not worth it since you lose hull res. It should be especially good with logis or active tanking because more res means more tanked DPS.
The only tricky part is to turn off your hardener when damage type changes, allowing your module to recalibrate itself quicker (since it doesn't have to lose what it gained). And that's why you need the skill which reduces duration of the hardener.

[Durzel]

Cruisers have next to no hull HP anyway. My wormholin' Proteus doesn't have a DC2.

[RoemySchneider]

so... when shooting these things with arties...
in case the fleet didnt one-shot him, it'll have adapted only once by the second volley?

[Jericho Harkonenn]

To my understanding, yes. 3% per cycle and with the right skill your cycle can go down to 5 sec so it is rather fast. But as you pointed out, it's kinda useless if you're getting alpha'ed.

[Marlona Sky]

So if I take damage from one kinetic rocket and they wait say thirty seconds to shoot me again; by that time it will have shifted all the resistance to kinetic or you have to be constantly taking kinetic damage during the entire thirty seconds.

Sorry been drinking.

[Cue1*]

So if I take damage from one kinetic rocket and they wait say thirty seconds to shoot me again; by that time it will have shifted all the resistance to kinetic or you have to be constantly taking kinetic damage during the entire thirty seconds.

Sorry been drinking.

If for the cycle of the hardener, you take just one kinetic rocket of damage, then your resist will shift 3% to the kinetic side.

[Daniel L'Siata]

Actually I think this could replace DC on cruiser ships and below. It gives the same amount of armor bonuses as a DC but with the ability to adapt to incoming damage. But you should only use them on ships which don't have a lot of hull otherwise it's probably not worth it since you lose hull res. It should be especially good with logis or active tanking because more res means more tanked DPS.
The only tricky part is to turn off your hardener when damage type changes, allowing your module to recalibrate itself quicker (since it doesn't have to lose what it gained). And that's why you need the skill which reduces duration of the hardener.

Do remember that the DC II is unaffected by stacking penalty. It's quite likely to give higher resists on a few fits.

Regardless I see where you're coming from, I don't fit a DC II on (m)any sub-BS hulls.

Mostly it's just in the RAH's lack of logic with regards to incoming damage. (I.E - OH NO! A SINGLE POINT OF EM DAMAGE! Better just shift a large whack of resists there)

[Daniel L'Siata]

EDIT - Welp, double posted due to lag. My bad.

[Jericho Harkonenn]

Do remember that the DC II is unaffected by stacking penalty. It's quite likely to give higher resists on a few fits.

RAH isn't stacking either except with a Damage Control so it's all good. I think this module is good as it is for small fights, you just need to watch the fuck out the damage type you're receiving or you're gonna go down in flames.

[Mike deVoid]

RAH good for dreads and carriers? Also, does it have a unique visual effect?

[Sponk]

RAH isn't stacking either except with a Damage Control so it's all good.

Are you sure? Another failheaper tested it and found it did stack. Now, I'm not saying you're lying, but one of you two is lying.