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    People put guns on tackle interceptors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    50m, wat? Ignore EFTs useless estimates, as it still thinks those damage controls are 15m and names mids are 4m each.
    Try more along the lines of 10m tops, aka the same as any other T2 fit T1 frigate.
    Alright, that's cool then. Chill, I was just lazy trusting your screenshots over double-checking the invisible prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sponk View Post
    People put guns on tackle interceptors?
    well yeah, you can whore on more mails that way duh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sponk View Post
    People put guns on tackle interceptors?
    Swatting drones, annoying other frigates. Both viable uses.

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    So basically the atron is the taranis of the T1 interceptors? As in it will run around apply retarded amount of DPS to its counterparts.

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    Here are some common fits for long range tackling;
    http://i.imgur.com/23E1L.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/lHM0J.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/gDTlY.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/dKVql.jpg

    They aren't running sebos because they don't get a range bonus, and they're fit for tank/drone swatting.
    Tackle is off because I'm too lazy to do the load of extra hacking to get the 80% role bonus to work.

    Atron still has the best damage, tracking, tank, agility, and is barely slower.
    For killing other drones while keeping at range, the Atron is the best with the Slasher right behind.
    Last edited by prometheus; June 19 2012 at 12:52:07 AM.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong Prom but won't the Atrons lack of a tracking bonus hurt it with applied dps?

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    Atron has 9% more PG than Taranis

    EDIT: And only 3 less CPU
    Last edited by OrangeAfroMan; June 19 2012 at 12:59:24 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Procellus View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong Prom but won't the Atrons lack of a tracking bonus hurt it with applied dps?
    Blasters have the best tracking in the game by a decent margin.
    With web, no.
    Without web, but with tracking mods (ie: the LR tackle fit posted), no.
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    why cant i shoehorn a satisfying dual prop thing onto the slasher....? *fiddlefiddle*

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    I'm not sure, having looked at your links, that I'd agree that the atron outperforms the other ships head and shoulders... the taranis has the same comparatively insane damage output but it's still certainly beatable solo still and the atron isn't exactly overwhelmingly better in the ehp or speed department.

    Perhaps the executioner is lacking a bit (but then again, scorch), but i like most of the fits you put together (though ions + bigger plate on atron?) without thinking they're anything other than "just before inty" ships as they should be.
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    I don't have anything against the Atrons performance, but am more concerned about the gross imbalance.
    If the Atron is going to be that good, they could at least allow the others to compete.
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    Atron wins only due to raw blaster damage output... which can be situational. Still, I'm forced to agree with Prom; it remains the strongest of the lineup.

    Atron's always been the 'Poor Man's Interceptor'... used to screw around null in a weaponless, MWD/Cap Battery II/Nano Atron in 2006 with shitty skills long before Warp to Zero, and still no one ever caught me. I'm stoked it can now mount some kind of weapons, and might even resub to fly it again. Cheapest fun there is in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonian View Post
    Atron wins only due to raw blaster damage output... which can be situational.
    It is also by far the best when you go for fitting rails instead, so that's a dead argument.
    The condor outdamages/outtanks @ extreme range, only because it has light missiles.

    In every other situation, the Atron is on top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonian View Post
    Atron wins only due to raw blaster damage output... which can be situational.
    It is also by far the best when you go for fitting rails instead, so that's a dead argument.
    The condor outdamages/outtanks @ extreme range, only because it has light missiles.

    In every other situation, the Atron is on top.
    Nice tracking with them rails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Nice tracking with them rails.
    Tackle something bigger than a frigate then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonian View Post
    Atron wins only due to raw blaster damage output... which can be situational.
    It is also by far the best when you go for fitting rails instead, so that's a dead argument.
    The condor outdamages/outtanks @ extreme range, only because it has light missiles.

    In every other situation, the Atron is on top.
    All hail the Atron then? That the first ship you can climb in from the rookie is an amazing craft?

    I can go for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sponk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Nice tracking with them rails.
    Tackle something bigger than a frigate then.
    Med neuts will ruin your Day same With drones or tracking bounused guns no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonian View Post
    Atron wins only due to raw blaster damage output... which can be situational.
    It is also by far the best when you go for fitting rails instead, so that's a dead argument.
    The condor outdamages/outtanks @ extreme range, only because it has light missiles.

    In every other situation, the Atron is on top.
    Nice tracking with them rails.
    Fit like a scram range brawler w/ rails, its tracking is the best. The only ships with better range (not actual damage) are the laser ships. CloseRange rails > Scorch.
    Fit for long range with rails, it's tracking issues are mitigated by range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sponk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Nice tracking with them rails.
    Tackle something bigger than a frigate then.
    Med neuts will ruin your Day same With drones or tracking bounused guns no?
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    *yay 3 fitting mods -.-*
    119.3 max dps @ 10350+14625m
    which yields..... ~100dps at 17.5km for anything that's not an MWD-bloom-bonus'ed frig and/or you don't ruin your own tracking.

    edit: weird thing is..... it'd still be ~100dps at 15km w/o the falloff bonus o.O
    Last edited by RoemySchneider; June 19 2012 at 05:14:26 AM.

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