I'm not quite sure why "critics" are shitting on newsroom other than the above mentioned relationship (which will probably be a series long train wreck). The rapid fire dialogue from episode 2 seemed to be toned down which really improved the whole thing for me.Originally Posted by ChaeDoc II
This so much. And try to listen to all the background chatter. The conversations that are going on there are fucking hilarious.Start with Generation Kill (minseries so 8 eps for 1 hour iirc), its fucking brilliant. I think i've seen it 8 times so farJustified.generation kill, mad men, treme, alive, homeland, dexter
Fixed. Generation Kill is epic. Mad Men just can't be stopped.generation kill, mad men
the new Wallander ep was great.
because it's fucking dire
it's just exactly the same (writing/ethos) as the west wing, but set in a newsroom. except the casting probably isn't as good, but they might grow into it. If you thought 'West Wing' was silly, bias, idealistic left wing masturbation (which it was), and didn't like it because of that then you won't like newsroom. if you liked west wing desbite it being silly, bias, idealistic left wing masturbation (which i did for some reason) you'll probably be able to succesfully ignore the newsroom's faults just as well and enjoy it too.
Hardly. You could go five or six episodes without getting an ideologically driven speech in the west wing. You'll be lucky to go five or six minutes through Newsroom without some character breaking down and extoling the virtues of liberalism/the free press/democracy/why the right wing press suck (but of course all couched in centrist language to show how ~centrist~ the main character is). I think it'd be easier to swallow if every episode wasn't based around a very recent major news event, and they didn't solve every problem thrown at them in a deus ex machina fest of eureka moments and inexplicably perfect foresight. One of the constant themes of The West Wing was that while the lefties backing up the president were happy to proselytise to one another, when it came to the real world, they usually genuinely struggled to get what they wanted. They had to compromise, wheel and deal, put their own desires secondary to necessity. It accurately reflected the nature of government. Newsroom, on the other hand, seems to have just been written as a vehicle for Sorkin to write 3 five minute long speeches per week, with a 30 minutes young love/old love subplot forced in around the sides to make it suitable for TV. Really fucking bad.
1. You watched a different west wing to me it seems
2. The major (only) developing theme in the newsroom is "you carry on with this lefty shit and all hell is going to rain down on your head" (i.e expect to see "They had to compromise, wheel and deal, put their own desires secondary to necessity." )
edit: to be clear i don't think newsroom is as good as WW, but the reasons to dislike it are the ones i've already ignored before so i guess i'm a sucker. if U.S viewers aren't aware btw, a lot of the entertainment in watching sorkin shows (and similar) from an outsiders perspective is getting a good giggle at the 'manifest destinty' bits that are littered throughout such shows so earnestly. bless your cotton socks.
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It's the liberal equivalent of hitting someone over the head with a bible.
The show should focus on showing how the news are done. So far, it's just copypasting bloggers and wikipedia.
It is very bad.
I fail to see where the Deus Ex machina comes in barring the :lolgraduatedlawat19:. Especially considering episode 2 where they fuck up royally and no one saves them from the wreck. I also believe they make fun of lefty news more than right wing news, although the episodes so far have focuses on Right wing issues.
And yes it is basicly having a liberal bible beaten over your head. Fortunately the liberal bible is much more intelligent and idealistic than the right wing bible so it's not as terrible.
What I like about The Newsroom is that it can give me an idea, of some kind, of the problems real life news organisations can come across if they ever decided to go down the ideologically neutral route. Episode 3 offered an example of the corporate pressures that can be placed on a news organisation for broadcasting the truth that the tea party is crazy. So if anything the perceived liberal agenda of The Newsroom, which i believe is a false perception caused by the neutrality of sanity being far closer to the left than the extreme right of the Tea Party, is making me more sympathetic to the likes of Fox News and it's apparently nutjob/stupid presenters.
I'm pretty fucking left wing and can safely say Newsroom is pretty fucking left wing. The problem with taking the "oh but that's just what happens in commercial news" is that actual news rooms don't work anything like how they are depicted in the show.
I just started to rewatch season 1 of Jericho. DAMN that show was good.
You're argument is devolving. What show hoping to be reasonably entertaining is going to model an actual news room to a T? The show has taken shots at all sides (and in the realm of news MSNBC has taken it worse then Fox) and season one is so far focusing on a year where the news-worthy stories were all very republican. Nothing the show said in the tea-party episode was particularly off base or liberal, at least not into far left-field that I'd expect of Sorkin. The show is highly entertaining and although, yes, Sorkin is a flaming Liberal, he does a half decent job of writing an interesting Republican. Now if we can drop the Alison Pill/John Gallagher love story it might be half decent.
Addendum: Expect season two plots to focus on left-wing stories, especially OWS. Whether the show treats it the same way as the Tea-Party or spurges love-juice all over it is still unknowable.
well... i'm sure nobody expected a story taking place in the writer's office of the daily show just because miss munn is prancing around -.-
it's been 3 eps thus far; the first few exist to introduce the setting and the characters reasonably well; i'm quite certain that the owner (and her son) will have recurring appearances as well. ergo, finger's crossed that we'll have other (news) plots develop across the season(s), not just the love triangle(s) -.-
... although i'm sliiiightly confused with this 6 month leap -
Which one's the interesting republican?
The lead character.Which one's the interesting republican?
It would be stepping into far into troll territory to say Jeff Daniel's character isn't pretty fucking good.Which one's the interesting republican?
To be fair it isn't easy to relate him to the Republican party if you were to compare his character to the Republicans we see attracting the news at the moment in real life. The reason he comes across as liberal is because the real Republican party has gone so far to the right that even Ronald Reagan seems progressive. So I don't think he's trolling, i just don't think he knew that Daniel's character identified himself as Republican.
I thought so too except it's been mentioned at least once an episode.
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