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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    why is there nobody asking about the Chieftain then ?

    dat tank, it will rolfstomp everything if it gets in.
    Agreed. INCLUDING the T-64 for all you Soviet fan boys

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    Full Q&A about the new tier 10s. Very long. http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index....past-24-hours/

    TL;DR = No smoothbores, E-50M is the E-50 with a rear transmission. July patch. Other stuff.

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    Tier 10 mediums and TDs will be implemented in stages or all/most in the same patch?

    All at once. In patch 0.7.5.

    Can you give us the approximate timing for introducing the T-62A and raising the Bat-Chat to Tier 10? Maybe by the time you get physics done?

    In Patch 0.7.5, before physics and the new render.

    If I understand it, the Germans will have two visually almost identical mediums?

    Just like the Soviets and the Americans.

    How much XP will we need for the T-62A? Less than 200,000?

    Subject to testing.


    Will you nerf Tier 9 mediums after introducing Tier 10 mediums? I seem to recall a statement from a while ago that the current Tier 9s are really Tier 9.5s.

    We'll see. If it becomes necessary.

    For the longest time you've nixed the idea of Tier 10 meds, and here we are. What made you change your minds?

    We never nixed anything. We nixed the idea of seeing them in the near future - and after that, simply stopped commenting.

    How will the E50 Ausf. M be different from E50? Just the gun?

    [A player answers.]
    This modification will have a rear-mounted transmission.

    [SerB follows up.]
    Precisely. Note the turret is shifted forward.

    After introducing Tier 10 TDs and mediums, will the prior tier tanks be rebalanced (just as was the case when Tier 8 SPGs were introduced)?

    If it becomes necessary.


    Why aren't the Germans getting the Leo-1? It would have looked better at Tier 10 than the same E-50 but with parameters stretched out even further, IMO.

    We'll give you your cardboard dream tank, don't you worry.
    But later.


    Question on the T-62A. Everything is still preliminary...[skipped]...and I get that the 115mm is a smoothbore, but can the parameters be stretched so that you can mount it on the tank?

    No. We categorically do not want to introduce smoothbores into the game.

    Are these [top gun, turret pushed forward] the only changes to the E50?

    No, the transmission is pushed to the rear of the tank too!
    People here cried to us that it's such a big advantage, such a big advantage - well, here you are then.

    What about the ammunition? Are there plans to give top-tier mediums shells with higher penetration than for Tier 9s?

    The shells will be different. We'll see which ones after testing.


    The front of the serial T-62A is 100mm...so the Tier 9 will have a thicker front than the Tier 10, and you'll balance this without giving it the 115mm?

    Yes, the front will be 100mm. Nevertheless - we'll balance it.


    Will the AMX 13 series get new guns or just the Bat?

    The 12t will get the Panther gun, just like it was supposed to be.
    The higher AMX 13 will get the short 105.

    If you put in the second German TD line, will the Germans have two Tier 10 TDs in the future?

    Up to 4. If we can manage it.
    [SerB has previously stated that they have enough materials for potentially 4 German TD branches.]

    [Storm - a.k.a. the good cop - jumps into the thread.]

    After introducing Tier 10 mediums and TDs, will the prior tier tanks be rebalanced (as was the case when Tier 8 SPGs were introduced)?

    Yes. Most Tier 9 and 10 vehicles will be rebalanced.

    So this [E-50] modification is distinguished by its rear-mounted transmission?

    Yes. The tank was stretched a little and the turret shifted forward. This allowed the transmission to fit into the rear of the tank.

    [Back to SerB - a.k.a. the bad cop.]

    Since you're introducing the new Tier 10s, will the Japanese get Type 74 or something like it?

    One of the Type 74 prototypes made in 1964.

    Will XP requirements for Tier 10 mediums/TDs be similar to Tier 10 heavies, i.e. 200k+ XP?

    No comment for now. Testing will show.

    So since the next patch will be Tier 10 mediums/TDs, the 2nd German TD line is being pushed back?

    Yes.

    What patch will the British tanks be in?

    Probably 0.8.x.

    [Felt appropriate to include here.]

    [Back on the E-50 Ausf. M changes]...and a new gun, too...what about armor? Mobility? An 1,800 HP engine - I can dream, right?

    Gun is the same.
    Armor is the same.
    Engine is the same.
    But the transmission is rear-mounted, and that's a huge advantage!!!1111 [sic]


    Will Tier 10 medium penetration stats be "stretched out"? The T-62A gun - D-54 - with 219mm of penetration doesn't look very good at Tier 10.

    There will be no stretching. But there will be surprises. If you read the previous answers, you might figure out what specific surprises. [I'm guessing it's new shells.]


    The M68 [on the Patton III] is a gun on a completely different plane. So give us the U-5TS [smoothbore], it was made specifically to beat the M68...

    We won't make the U-5TS, but we are ready to give the tank an adequate counterpart to the M68.

    Since you're introducing Tier 10 mediums and TDs, will we ever see SPGs above Tier 8?

    There are no plans for SPGs more brutal than the current Tier 8 for the moment.

    The T-54 is losing the D-54 for something less powerful, and the T-62 gets a more powerful D-54?

    The T-54 will not lose the D-54. The new gun will be in addition. [SerB previously said - to make the T-54 eligible for the "historical battles" mode.]

    The T-62A gun will have a different index.

    So the British Tier 10 medium will be the third, late modification of the Centurion? Or something else? And I won't even ask about TDs, since you haven't disclosed anything about those...

    Most likely the "demi-Chieftain" FV4202 as the medium; as for the TD, we've talked about this - the FV215b or Conway 183mm.


    [Many, many questions about Object 907.

    [SerB's many, many answers - WG wants the tree branch to be logical, i.e. predecessor machine to successor machine instead of jumping around from design to design. The T-62A is the successor to the T-54, so it goes into that tree branch. For the Object 907 branch, the Tier 8 predecessor is "missing", or, rather, the one option they've dug up in the archives thus far is not something they want to implement, so for now that branch is shelved.]

    [Secondary answer.] By the way, that's why we're not introducing the Leopard-1 now, it "came from" an entirely different tank [than the E-50 Ausf. M].

    What's the armor penetration on the Soviet Tier 10 TD in real life? Couldn't find the answer anywhere, based on muzzle velocity the gun is worse than the BL-10.

    Depends on what shells it fires.

    Will the JagdE-100 17cm be another HE "shotgun" or will it have AP rounds?

    Can't say at the moment - testing will show.

    Will the E-50M have stronger armor compared to the E-50? And maybe the same machinations with the engines as when the Panther II was replaced? So we get something in the same package but more hardcore?

    Armor will not be strengthened. See above for engines and guns.
    Look for machinations in other places.

    [On U.S. Tier 10 TDs] Looks like the T7 gun is shortened. Is it just my imagination or a different gun model?

    Exactly the same gun.

    I mean, the U-5TS was an equal competitor to the L7 and M68. Why so principled, you're going to balance the tank anyway?

    Because a smoothbore signifies the next generation of tanks.
    We've decided to stop at roughly this "red line".

    Will the Tier 10 TDs and mediums have researchable modules?

    M48 and Batchat - 100%. The others - testing will show.


    Will Tier 10 heavies be rebalanced - for example, HP increased?

    Testing will show.


    Will maps be increased in size with the introduction of Tier 10 mediums?

    No.

    [Question on the "predecessor-successor-accurate" line that will culminate in the Leopard-1.]

    The predecessor for the Leo-1 was the "Indien-Panzer" worked on by Porsche together with Daimler-Benz, so you can figure out where that tree branch will originate from.

    If the Leo-1 is introduced, will it be before or after the Brits?

    Most probably after.


    Will the E-50M have its weight reduced?

    Yes, by single-digit tons.

    The Object 268's M64 gun will fire sub-caliber shells - for silver - or AP rounds, whose muzzle velocity was only 720-750 m/s, which is lower than on the BL-10?

    Most probably sub-caliber.

    Since this isn't a heavy, then the only variant for the Leo-1 tree branch is: VK DB at Tier 7 => Tank X at Tier 8 => Indien Panzer 1954 at Tier 9 => Leopard 1 at Tier 10. Am I right?

    Almost. Just that Indien can't really be pushed past Tier 8. Whereas Leo-1 did have prototypes...


    [Long question about AMX-13-75 gun at Tier 7.]

    Probably won't give it the 75mm L100, but we'll think of something.

    Will JagdPz E-100 have mobility and armor of roughtly the E-100? Especially the lower front plate...

    Mobility will, of course, be poor.
    Armor as on the historical E-100 and JagdTiger.

    Why not just create the AMX-13-105 at Tier 8 and leave the 13-75 and 13-90 where they are? Or is it bad to have three idential tanks at three consecutive tiers?

    Because we'll probably give the 105 to the existing 13-90.

    So the [JagdE-100] wunderwaffle - JagdTiger superstructure, E-100 hull?

    Basically as it was in the book. Right this second don't remember if it's in Jentz or Spielberger. Probably Spielberger. [Not sure of English spelling of the name.]

    So top speed above 20 kph is unrealistic? Turn rate 19-20 degrees/sec? Will the gun be indexed 17 cm PaK 45 L50?

    We'll see. Including as far as the gun index.

    Is the E-50M more than completely made up?

    Less.


    So the AMX 13-90 - 13-105? - will become a Tier 8 LIGHT TANK?

    Yes.

    Will the AMX 50 Foch 155 be the only TD with a drum?

    The only one at the moment.

    Will the French Tier 5 light be completely analagous to the 12t but without the drum?

    Not completely. We'll tell you in due course.

    What will be Tier 10 medium HP, 2,000 or more? How will you implement the drum-fed 155mm on the 50 Foch 155? Why are all the new U.S. Tier 10 TDs based on the T110, is it just a coincidence or your own imagination at work?

    1. As many HP as is necessary.
    2. As usual.
    3. It's Chrysler's imagination. He had a fertile mind.

    Will there be other versions of the ELC since you're introducing the ELC AMX? What are the planned second Tier 10 TDs for the Germans and the Soviets?

    No new ELCs for now. We'll announce the other Tier 10 TDs at a later date.

    What will be the front superstructure thickness for the JagdE-100?

    Per the sources, 250mm. Whether this constitutes a "hole" is up to you.


    Will Tier 10 mediums get 16 armor groups right off the bat?

    Yes. But just to remind you, 16 armor groups doesn't mean twice as heavily armored as 8. Quite the opposite, we get the ability to designate weak spots that we couldn't have covered with 8 armor groups.

    Why is the new E-50 named Ausf. M and not Ausf. B?

    We liked this version better.

    Dear SerB - were you serious when you wrote that ultimately you'll replace the Maus with the Leo-1?

    Serious like an animal.

    Is the Leo prototype you mention [likely Tier 9 tank leading to Leo-1] the Leopard-Panzer Prototyp Daimler Benz Deutschland 1959/60?

    It's not the only prototype, there were at least two of them. But this is the one that fits into the Daimler branch.

    Will the patch come out in June-July? [I think the meaning is for the patch with the new Tier 10s.]

    More likely July.

    Do you have Tier 10 TD candidates for the second German and Soviet branches?

    Yes, but as stated above, we are not revealing them at this time.

    Might we hope that in place of the transmission, the front of the new German Tier 10 medium will be filled with fuel tanks and ammo crates? So that they'd know our pain, so to speak! [Clearly this comes from a Soviet medium tank driver...

    You may hope. Hopes are not guaranteed to become reality.

    Will the rebalancing of the E-100 heavy include the penetration stat on its gun?

    You mean lowering it? Well, we didn't really want to do it, I mean, we had actually raised it to balance the tank, but if you really want us to...


    Why are the Soviets getting the T-62A and not the T-55, which was a more direct descendant of the T-54?

    Because the T-55 doesn't really outperform the T-54 very much.

    Could you give the "Germanophiles" the Ladungsleger I?

    No.


    [Long question on the K18 - as in "please please please make this a good gun".]

    The gun will be ok.

    Will the E-50 and E-50M hulls be identical? [Question concerning the angle of the lower hull plate.]?

    Approximately identical.

    So all the French tanks being moved up a tier will get a new gun?

    Not a fact. For example, the Lorraine will probably just have its existing 100mm improved.

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    let's get this straight.

    the E-50M is the E-50 with a rear mounted gearbox (AS IT WAS FUCKING DESIGNED TO HAVE) bumped to tier 10 with no further alterations aside from losing a few tons ?

    and how the fuck is that supposed to be competitive ? are they honestly going to "compensate" by giving it more HP knowing full well the armor wont take shit and the modules are damage magnets ?

    i also like how they are going "smoothbore marks the next tank generation"

    no it does not fuckheads, designs like the T-64, M60 and Chieftain does and only one of those tanks carries a actual smoothbore gun, perhaps they feel the Challenger II represents a 1st generation MBT because it's got a rifled 120mm ? hmm ?

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    The French lights moving up a tier means AMX13-90 gets vertical stabilizer. B)

    Leopard I will be interesting to see eventually, might have to get some xp going on the German tree for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illusionalsgcty View Post
    The French lights moving up a tier means AMX13-90 gets vertical stabilizer. B)

    Leopard I will be interesting to see eventually, might have to get some xp going on the German tree for that.
    Nice try penning all the 10s.

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    For guy of his age SerB is a epic troll. I especially loled at "well if you really want us to lower E100's pen with AP ammo ok, if you really want that".

    Afaik they said that all guns will get new ammo at T10. So we will have a bit more zippy E50 (few tonnes less, I feared that stretching of the tank would increase its weight) that can also use fuel thanks to transmission being safe in the rear and has the whatever amount of pen and damage they decide to give it.
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    Yes i mean when new tier10s are introduced regular tier9 meds and tds will be nerfed , no doubt about that , because they are now considered 9.5 and balanced around that.
    I guess front engine on e50 is exactly for that reason ( e75 is obvious considering the nerf of is4 and relative strenght of other tier9s ). I assume they will get reduced stats all around but overal T54 and E50 now after nerf will have softer landing since T54 was nerfed a lot and E50 is now getting nerfed a bit. Maybe they will reduce there hitpoints a bit etc.

    Anyway 7.5 should have physics in it , new rendering and all this new tier10 tanks. Thank good for competition ( MWO <3 ) this will be real content patch worthy of mini expansion ( if they give it this summer that is but i think they will have to ... well i hope at least ^_^ ).
    To be honest something had to be done about the state of the mediums and tds since clan wars started. This is important. I dont find it perfect solution tho. Also dunno if it was posted but there will be second medium german line with leopard 1 as top ( tier10 ) tank.

    this is gonna be hot summer

    also btw Overlord posted on his blog that apparently MR Doyle ( well know researcher and publisher on panzers often quoted and used as source for many designs in game etc ) responded in favor of wargaming changes to the transmission there is full text on overlords blog here http://overlord-wot.blogspot.com/201...-mr-doyle.html
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    This is what i expect on medium tier9 and tier10 front to change :

    tier9:
    damage = reduced ( 105mm gun from 390 damage to 320 damage etc )
    rof = increased ( to keep similar dpm )
    dpm = slightly lower
    hitpoints = slight decrease ( 1600 hp t54 , 1700 hp E50 etc )

    tier10 :
    damage : same like top guns now ( 390 for 105mm guns ).
    rof : similar like now
    dpm : similar like now
    hitpoints : + ~200 hitpoints , eg e50m = 2000 hitpoints.
    Gold Shells : more modern HEAT shells high penetration ( current tier9 mediums guns have inferior gold shells for tier10 battles ).
    Small tweaks like rear transmission reduction in module damage and maybe view range increase and such.

    Why ? because current tier9s are balance around being tier9.5 being in this awkward place. Thus they need to make deference between this new models and old one. That is why i think they will do slight nerf to tier9 and create slightly stronger tier10s and it will create nice and balanced gap around.

    AS i said this transmission E50 nerf is probably what triggered it

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    I like how they say T-55 wont be used as it isnt much of an improvement over the T-54, then they go for E-50M which is 'supposed' to be a slight improvement over the E-50


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    I know I cautioned against freaking out earlier, but unless they're leading people on intentionally, it may be warranted.

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    Oh boy, more Soviet armour to bounce upon, more T10 treads to zerocrit, more incompetent ''scout-T10s''...oh joyous day...
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    Fucking lol, poor E-50. It is just getting shit on. Lets make it Tier X, LARGER, weigh less so it can't even ram, and give it the same fucking gun.
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    ohboy ... AMX 13 105?

    as if the AMX 13 90 isn't already pretty much great for the battle it sees.

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    This patch does not interest me at all, beyond being a bit shit. And Brit tanks in 8.X+? So lame; give me those, not shitty T10 meds and bull crap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Th3GoodSon View Post
    This patch does not interest me at all, beyond being a bit shit. And Brit tanks in 8.X+? So lame; give me those, not shitty T10 meds and bull crap!
    The evil in me wishes that they would "postpone" the British line and instead add in a Japanese line.

    But ya, I'm with you in wishing the British line would come out sooner. I have a feeling they will be a mix of the French and American lines. I suspect that they will be either: fast, good gun, and no armor OR slow, good gun, and heavy frontal armor.


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    Tier 10 russian TD, omfg, do want!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    let's get this straight.

    the E-50M is the E-50 with a rear mounted gearbox (AS IT WAS FUCKING DESIGNED TO HAVE) bumped to tier 10 with no further alterations aside from losing a few tons ?

    and how the fuck is that supposed to be competitive ? are they honestly going to "compensate" by giving it more HP knowing full well the armor wont take shit and the modules are damage magnets ?

    i also like how they are going "smoothbore marks the next tank generation"

    no it does not fuckheads, designs like the T-64, M60 and Chieftain does and only one of those tanks carries a actual smoothbore gun, perhaps they feel the Challenger II represents a 1st generation MBT because it's got a rifled 120mm ? hmm ?
    rage a bit too much

    smoothbores means introduction of guided missiles into the game , probably they dont want to add that functionality
    thats reasnoble

    in terms of e50 transmision read his blog
    also if you read they will have new ammunition and more hitpoints etc

    as was said from 9.5 it is not as big gap as it might look
    more hps better gold ammo few tweaks here and there and it will be good tier10

    its pretty lol to see comments from , omg tier10 heavies are useless to tier10 meds will be useless

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    I think reason why they refuse smoothbores is APFSDS. It's their main ammo since its lol IRL cheaper than HEAT. So having semi modern APFSDS rounds as silver bough standard ammo would ruin their Jewing scheme.
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