[DEVPOST] Ship balancing - round 2

[Varcaus]

ECM boats versus sentry Ishtar
Guess who wins.

either noone or the ECM boat
the ishtar sure cant keep the point

ECM off grid proably can't rep so most likely can't come back on grid without being nuked.

[Daneel Trevize]

No one has suggested changing 20 second ECM

P sure I put a quick reminder that ECCM should be useful like reducing jam time while not changing cycle time in the first page of eve-o responses to at least 1 recent Balance devblog thread. Hardly a new suggestion I know. CCP don't do anything, they are shit at macro-scale balance, nbs.

[Resi]

In regards to sub capital ship balancing, is ECM the only mechanic left where there's a large consensus agreeing that it's broken?

[Daneel Trevize]

You really think ECM is the only widely far of the mark thing in all subcaps? Pause for a second and think.

[Resi]

There's loads of stuff that needs addressing, but that wasn't what I asked.

There's very few people who would defend ECM who aren't trolling.

[AmaNutin]

You really think ECM is the only widely far of the mark thing in all subcaps? Pause for a second and think.

Drakes?

[Ophichius]

You really think ECM is the only widely far of the mark thing in all subcaps? Pause for a second and think.

Drakes?

Careful now. If CCP sees that most players agree that ECM and Drakes need fixing they might just delete Caldari and refund the skillpoints.

-O

[cillisia]

You really think ECM is the only widely far of the mark thing in all subcaps? Pause for a second and think.

Drakes?

Careful now. If CCP sees that most players agree that ECM and Drakes need fixing they might just delete Caldari and refund the skillpoints.

-O

Or have the Jove come in and replace them

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[Resi]

How could I forget about Drakes, at least CCP have been hinting at balancing them. We'll probably have to wait until they address BC's as a whole, though.

[cillisia]

I still prefer canes over drakes tbh

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[OrangeAfroMan]

Make ECM remove all but one random locked target and cap your max locked targets at one. Fixed.

Drakes and Canes need fixing next. Canes to a lesser extent.

Btw, belegarath's post did miss the crux of the issue there being speed and range. That's why I love Amarr, when they're big and slow they still have massive range flexibility.

[elmicker]

Should've scripted ECM when they scripted all the other ewar. One script to break locks, one to prevent new locks. Throw in a 75% cycle time reduction and bob's your uncle.

[Xiang Jiao]

You really think ECM is the only widely far of the mark thing in all subcaps? Pause for a second and think.

I imagine you are hinting at off-grid boosting. Thread needs some cheese to go with all this w(h)ine.

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[Sponk]

Should've scripted ECM when they scripted all the other ewar. One script to break locks

one to prevent new locks.

[elmicker]

Should've scripted ECM when they scripted all the other ewar. One script to break locks

one to prevent new locks.

so scrap ecm altogether eh? this i could get behind

[AmaNutin]

Should've scripted ECM when they scripted all the other ewar. One script to break locks

one to prevent new locks.

so scrap ecm altogether eh? this i could get behind

We need that 4th racial ecm... would caldari get a bonus to the lockbreaker module? Still makes people inclined to use them.

[Varcaus]

Should've scripted ECM when they scripted all the other ewar. One script to break locks

one to prevent new locks.

so scrap ecm altogether eh? this i could get behind

We need that 4th racial ecm... would caldari get a bonus to the lockbreaker module? Still makes people inclined to use them.

You'd have to lock them so would need to do something else usefull as well.

[Rakshasa The Cat]

Falcon specialized in lock breaker module... That makes sense, cause everyone knows the Falcon/Rooks are always primary, so they a bonus like that would be a good replacement for the current ECM role.

[Mfume]

It's not if you're solo or not, it's if you're nano or not. Your case for ECM is dependant upon constant repositioning, thus nanoing rather than bringing your own heavy tackle & big buffer/active tank to survive more up close. If you're solo and kite, you can just run away, if you're a fleet but slow & closer ranged, you still might not be able to do much to the falcon, especially if you're using sub BS guns, and even then (due to lack of TEs). Thus it is not the fleet numbers, but the composition. AKA if not frigates swarm, sucks to be armour vs dealing with ECM.

So resume the whines about tier3s, they have the speed and the range and the dps, just not buffer.

Also, at least EC-300s die to a large smartbomb. The last useful ability of a BS, any number of the fuckers gone in an instant. Decent ECM boats will keep coming back at range.

If you're in a fleet and still having problems with ECM (outside of CFC Alphamael fleet with upwards of 30 Scorpions) you're just bad at this game. Period.

[Madner Kami]

Falcon specialized in lock breaker module... That makes sense, cause everyone knows the Falcon/Rooks are always primary, so they a bonus like that would be a good replacement for the current ECM role.

Ok, I'll take the bait and point the pink elephant out in this porcelain-shop more clearly: Who the fuck woud target Falcons (and Kitsunes, Rooks and Scorpions for that matter) if they were solely lockbreaker-bonused, instead leaving it till it's the only ship left of the enemy? Primary ECM and EWAR as they are in this game in general need to be an active-offensive system by default, not a passive-defensive one.