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    Need some help deciding on parts for new rig

    So, the shitty notebook i used for gaming finally died and i decided to get a real pc this time and will attempt to build it myself (never done that before, besides swapping ram). I assembled a list with hardware components after comparing and reading reviews all day long, but am still not quite sure if those work together or if the price/benefit ratio is any good. PC will be used for playing 3x Eve on 2x 1080p screens (the one i already own only has dvi, the one i'm getting will have hdmi) and other recent games on 1 screen. Other use will be fraps, photoshop, movies, general office use and maybe some video editing. My budget is at 1000€ max.

    Anyhow, the components:

    cpu: i5-3450 168,90€ / i5-3550 184,90€ / i5-3570K 208,99€
    mobo: MSI Z77A-G43 89€
    ram: G.Skill DIMM Kit 8GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (2x?) 31,87€/63,74€
    ssd: Samsung SSD 830 Series 128GB 101,99€
    hdd: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1000GB, SATA II (HD103SJ)
    psu: be quiet! Straight Power E9 CM 580W ATX 2.3 87,61€ / be quiet! Straight Power E9 CM 480W ATX 2.3 78€
    dvdwriter: LG Electronics GH24NS 15,48€
    case: BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower USB 3.0 - black 48,86€

    all in all 688,97€ excluding graphics card (using the most expensive stuff on that list)

    My questions are:

    1. Which graphics card do i get? I'm torn between the gtx 560 ti and the gtx 570, and have no idea about all the different manufacturers. The gtx 570 are quite a bit more pricey, but also more future-proof, while the gtx 560 ti seems to be a nice card, but gets low ratings in benchmarks and comparisons. On the other hand, there seem to be versions of the 560 with 2gb vram, but the 570 only seems to get 1,25gb. Does that matter much?

    2. Which of these 3 cpus do i want for my needs/not bottlenecking the gpu/overclocking? It appears that cpus that end in K are best for ocing? Yes, i considered getting a sandy bridge cpu, as suggested in the hardware guide thread, but with ivy bridge having similar prices it just seems pointless.

    3. Is it already worth getting 16gb of ram or should i stick with 8gb? The ram kit consists of 2x 4gb sticks, so i got enough room to put in 2 kits.

    4. Depending on the graphics card, is a 480w psu enough to run all this?

    5. I mostly guessed/combined other setups while chosing those parts, will everything fit on the motherboard, and more importantly, will it fit inside the case?

    6. Do i need any special screwdrivers or extensions for the cables when i want to assemble everything?

    I'm sure i have more questions, but these are the ones that came to my mind while looking for parts. Flame on.
    Last edited by Mortvvs; June 4 2012 at 03:34:37 PM.

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    You can't run triple screens off any 5 series nVidia card - if you want to run triple screen you need either an nVidia 680/670 or a Radeon, my personal recommendation at the moment would be a 7850. Dual client EVE uses a lot of VRAM, you'll need something with 2GB. A 2GB 560 is a waste of time, the card won't handle that much data running through it.

    You need a K series CPU to overclock to any meaningful level, non-Ks are multiplier locked. Bare in mind Ivy gives about no performance increase over Sandy, though it gives you PCIe 3.0.

    Get faster RAM than that, a kit of PC3-12800 will cost you like 1€ more. 8GB is enough to game but feel free to go to 16 if you want to, RAM is cheap.

    480W PSU will be right on the edge and I'm not a fan of Be Quiet PSUs. Look for a decent 550-600W Corsair/Antec.

    Everything will fit fine and no you won't need any special screwdrivers.

    Just as another point Crucial m4 > Samsung 830. They're also very, very cheap at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortvvs View Post
    1. Which graphics card do i get? I'm torn between the gtx 560 ti and the gtx 570, and have no idea about all the different manufacturers. The gtx 570 are quite a bit more pricey, but also more future-proof, while the gtx 560 ti seems to be a nice card, but gets low ratings in benchmarks and comparisons. On the other hand, there seem to be versions of the 560 with 2gb vram, but the 570 only seems to get 1,25gb. Does that matter much?
    Multiple Eve clients eat video memory, so the more the better. The 5-series GeForce cards really aren't worth buying anymore, they just don't have enough GPU power and/or vram to justify the cost. The Radeon 7850 is a very good choice; low power use, 2GB of vram and a nice meaty GPU.

    CPU: Ivy Bridge 3450 if you're not going to overclock, a Sandy 2500K if you are. 480W psu is a bit marginal, especially when it's not from a top-end brand. Antec, Corsair and OCZ all do good 550W units for around €60.

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    Based on your suggestions:

    ram: Corsair XMS3 DIMM Kit 8GB PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1600) (CMX8GX3M2A1600C9) (no idea what all these fancy numbers mean)
    psu: Corsair Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX 2.3
    ssd: Crucial m4 SSD 128GB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s
    graphics: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 OC, 2GB GDDR5, DVI, HDMI, 2x mini DisplayPort, lite retail (does lite retail indicate i may end up getting a used card?)
    cpu: Intel Core i5-2500K

    I was using ATI cards in the past and always had problems with them, but i can't find any similar prized nvidia cards in the same range, so i guess that'll do.

    edit: changing all that stuff put me well below my budget and i could get the radeon hd 7870 for around 80€ more. Is that increase in prize justified or should i just stick to the 7850?
    Last edited by Mortvvs; June 4 2012 at 07:30:12 PM.

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    The 7870 is priced too high atm, it's only about 10% faster than then the 7850. Next step up that's worth it is the 3GB 7950, but that's probably out of your budget.

    'lite retail' means you don't get all the extras. Sapphire loves sending supposedly 'retail packaged' cards to reviewers that come with loads of extras in the box; adapters, games, stickers, usb flash drives, etc, but then pull a bait-and-switch by selling 'lite retail' cards that don't include anything but the bare minimum, usually a power adapter, crossfire bridge and a driver CD. The actual cards are fine and as good as any other brand.

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    Thanks Bombcrater and Zekk, will post again when i got all the parts and broke everything.

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    Looks very solid, I have no extra input except if you want to make the pc super quiet you might enjoy an aftermarket cpu cooler. (cooler master hyper 212 evo springs to mind as a cheap but good cooler)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verizana View Post
    Looks very solid, I have no extra input except if you want to make the pc super quiet you might enjoy an aftermarket cpu cooler. (cooler master hyper 212 evo springs to mind as a cheap but good cooler)
    I was thinking about that too, but i'm not going to oc that high and wanted to try the stock cooler first. Can always order a separate one if need be.

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