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    Only if you're a complete fucking retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesbones View Post
    I think you guys are mixing up cyberpunk with dystopia.

    Cyberpunk was essentially a revolution against the utopian sci-fi of the 50s and 60s. It doesn't mean darkness and the plight of humanity. It just means a focus on sexbot, synthetic drugs over world order and robot hair dressers.
    The best most concise breakdown I've ever heard of the difference between cyberpunk and golden age sci fi is that the Golden age stuff is (usually) about how technology would solve all of humanity's problems, cyberpunk is about how it wouldn't.

    That said I don't actually consider cyberpunk a revolution against older sci fi as there were plenty of cautionary tales like the martian chronicles and The Stars My Destination in the golden age, rather I think that all sci fi tends to simply observe the direction things seem to be going at the time and extrapolate from there. Thus Golden Age sci fi looks like a future utopia because things were rapidly improving at the time, 80's sci fi is dystopian and more wary of technology because obviously bad shit was going down at the time.

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    The only major 'cyberpunk' thing that the trailer lacked was a VR realm. IIRC, a connected virtual world is one of the (dictionary) defining features of cyberpunk. (It might have been there and I just missed it among all the flashy action)

    I fully expect to see something like that in the game, there were certainly hints of it where people were plugged in, it just didn't show the other side of the network.

    Edit: There were several instances of people jacked in, they just didn't show us what it looked like for them.
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    Totally not Victoria Stecker forgetting his password and not having access to his work email.

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    I'd say something is cyberpunk if people spend more time debating if its really cyberpunk than if its any good.

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    itt "why isn't there a universal definition for cyberpunk"

    Are Deus Ex and Shadowrun both cyberpunk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    itt "why isn't there a universal definition for cyberpunk"

    Are Deus Ex and Shadowrun both cyberpunk?
    Deus Ex is. Shadow Run isn't, Sci-Fy-Fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    itt "why isn't there a universal definition for cyberpunk"

    Are Deus Ex and Shadowrun both cyberpunk?
    Deus Ex is. Shadow Run isn't, Sci-Fy-Fantasy.
    Shadowrun fucking well is cyberpunk, ticks all the boxes, it's textbook cyberpunk. Just mixes fantasy in it.

    Please people, can we stop being utterly ridiculous about this idiotic pedantry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steckersaurus View Post
    The only major 'cyberpunk' thing that the trailer lacked was a VR realm. IIRC, a connected virtual world is one of the (dictionary) defining features of cyberpunk. (It might have been there and I just missed it among all the flashy action)

    I fully expect to see something like that in the game, there were certainly hints of it where people were plugged in, it just didn't show the other side of the network.

    Edit: There were several instances of people jacked in, they just didn't show us what it looked like for them.
    We did see a Netrunner late in the trailer. Fully expect the Net to be present in the game since its such a huge part of the world.
    Unless Fantasy Flight Games got full rights to the Netrunner world.

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    Don't worry. An always raining mod will make it textbook cyberpunk. Ffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
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    itt "why isn't there a universal definition for cyberpunk"

    Are Deus Ex and Shadowrun both cyberpunk?
    Deus Ex is. Shadow Run isn't, Sci-Fy-Fantasy.
    you are the problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
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    itt "why isn't there a universal definition for cyberpunk"

    Are Deus Ex and Shadowrun both cyberpunk?
    Deus Ex is. Shadow Run isn't, Sci-Fy-Fantasy.
    U






    wot

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    I feel a-okay being hyped for a cdprojekt game

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    incredible autist scenes over the last few pages

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Steckersaurus View Post
    The only major 'cyberpunk' thing that the trailer lacked was a VR realm. IIRC, a connected virtual world is one of the (dictionary) defining features of cyberpunk. (It might have been there and I just missed it among all the flashy action)

    I fully expect to see something like that in the game, there were certainly hints of it where people were plugged in, it just didn't show the other side of the network.

    Edit: There were several instances of people jacked in, they just didn't show us what it looked like for them.
    We did see a Netrunner late in the trailer. Fully expect the Net to be present in the game since its such a huge part of the world.
    Unless Fantasy Flight Games got full rights to the Netrunner world.
    WotC owns Netrunner, and actually FFG is dropping the license later this year.

    https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/e...8/jacking-out/

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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    itt "why isn't there a universal definition for cyberpunk"

    Are Deus Ex and Shadowrun both cyberpunk?
    Deus Ex is. Shadow Run isn't, Sci-Fy-Fantasy.
    Excuse me sir but Shadowrun is definitely cyberpunk.

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    Didn't play Witcher but Im sure i'll play this.

    Am hyped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
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    itt "why isn't there a universal definition for cyberpunk"

    Are Deus Ex and Shadowrun both cyberpunk?
    Deus Ex is. Shadow Run isn't, Sci-Fy-Fantasy.
    Excuse me sir but Shadowrun is definitely cyberpunk.
    This. It basically was FASA's copy of Cyberpunk. They copied concepts from it with a straight face, nowadays it would be lawsuit galore. Want some examples? Google trauma team and docwagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overspark View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jonesbones View Post
    I think you guys are mixing up cyberpunk with dystopia.

    Cyberpunk was essentially a revolution against the utopian sci-fi of the 50s and 60s. It doesn't mean darkness and the plight of humanity. It just means a focus on sexbot, synthetic drugs over world order and robot hair dressers.
    That's a very odd description of cyberpunk.

    I give you the opening sentence of Neuromancer, which was essentially the book that invented cyberpunk:

    The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel.
    But it seem to match the "official" categorization:
    Much of cyberpunk is rooted in the New Wave science fiction movement of the 1960s and 70s, when writers like Philip K. Dick, Roger Zelazny, J. G. Ballard, Philip Jose Farmer, and Harlan Ellison examined the impact of drug culture, technology, and the sexual revolution while avoiding the utopian tendencies of earlier science fiction.
    I personally can't tell, because I do not know enough of these early SciFi literature.

    And Neuromancer didn't invent Cyberpunk, but made it a household name/established subgenre of SciFi, IMHO. I've read a couple of Bruce Sterling stories, which predate Neuromancer, and those very well fit at least my Cyberpunk definition.

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    Why don't we just agree that if it is Saints Row does Blade Runner it'll be worth throwing a few quid at.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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