The british are coming!

[Madscotsman]

Shame they look fucking rubbish

Totally stolen for one of my accounts (see sig)

[ctrlchris]

All of those tanks look like penetration magnets like the tiger with the exception of the crusader which looks pretty bouncy

Centurion's Arse

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Dat ass.
Do want.

[Dogbeast]

Pearly!

Space: Above and Beyond if I haven't missed my guess.

And I wonder if they will model the tanks completely, including the rivets.

Get hit by an HE shell, and you lose 1/2 your crew. Hit again, and you lose the rest!

[Nooby]

Early Churchill

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They hit our track, we can't move.

[Liare]

In a tribute to the 8th Hussars, General John O'Daniel, commanding the US 1st Corps, stated: "...In their Centurions, the 8th Hussars have evolved a new type of tank warfare. They taught us that anywhere a tank can go, is tank country: even the tops of mountains."

yea its probably going to be dog slow at 35-40 kmph, but i dont care, i want that Centurion

[High Sierra]

cant wait for the British tanks - they will be fun to play.
Firefly will more than likely be a gold tank - will be interesting to see which tier they put it in with that boomstick its got.

I wonder if they'll put in the Churchill AVRE? 290mm Petard anyone? derp derp

[Dirk Magnum]

Some of those tanks don't appear to have any gun mantlet at all

[Torashuu]

cant wait for the British tanks - they will be fun to play.
Firefly will more than likely be a gold tank - will be interesting to see which tier they put it in with that boomstick its got.

I wonder if they'll put in the Churchill AVRE? 290mm Petard anyone? derp derp

Don't get all the fuss about the firefly. Its just a 76mm gun, so its going to be a M4 sherman with the E8 gun but without the new hull, yay?! Certainly not expecting any mircales. Amazing gun that can pen tigers and panther IRL is sounds alot different when its WoT tigers and panthers.

[Th3GoodSon]

cant wait for the British tanks - they will be fun to play.
Firefly will more than likely be a gold tank - will be interesting to see which tier they put it in with that boomstick its got.

I wonder if they'll put in the Churchill AVRE? 290mm Petard anyone? derp derp

Don't get all the fuss about the firefly. Its just a 76mm gun, so its going to be a M4 sherman with the E8 gun but without the new hull, yay?! Certainly not expecting any mircales. Amazing gun that can pen tigers and panther IRL is sounds alot different when its WoT tigers and panthers.

You're silly. Look at the stats. Guns are not about diameter, they're about muzzle velocity. The British QF 17pdr could penetrate approximately 131mm or 30 degree sloped armour at 1000m (go Wiki!) and the 76mm M1 on the Easy Eight could manage 92mm at 1000m of UNSLOPED armour. Not only that, but the 17pdr round also had more mass (was heavier) so can deal more damage on impact both through the velocity and the mass (physics win!)

So yes. The Firefly ought to have some pretty hard core accuracy and penetration/damage. It ought to be comparable to a decent Tier 8 gun but on a Tier 5 tank chassis, so maybe a Tier 6 premium?

TL;DR: IT'S NOT THE DIAMETER, STUPID, IT'S THE VELOCITY

[Dogbeast]

If WG is going to continue their trend, then the Firefly will be a tier 6 medium tank with a gun that has ~225 pen, 300 damage, with a respectable 5-6 RoF.

Maybe higher, since with each patch the power creep keeps getting worse and worse.

[Torashuu]

You're silly. Look at the stats. Guns are not about diameter, they're about muzzle velocity. The British QF 17pdr could penetrate approximately 131mm or 30 degree sloped armour at 1000m (go Wiki!) and the 76mm M1 on the Easy Eight could manage 92mm at 1000m of UNSLOPED armour. Not only that, but the 17pdr round also had more mass (was heavier) so can deal more damage on impact both through the velocity and the mass (physics win!)

So yes. The Firefly ought to have some pretty hard core accuracy and penetration/damage. It ought to be comparable to a decent Tier 8 gun but on a Tier 5 tank chassis, so maybe a Tier 6 premium?

TL;DR: IT'S NOT THE DIAMETER, STUPID, IT'S THE VELOCITY

I get the physics part just <didn't do the research>. Figured the brits slapped that cannon of theirs on sherman and murcans went "Huh, what a good idea" and whiped up some E8's. With their gun obsession you'd figure they wouldn't be using an inferior cannon. Oh well. I am assuming the brits installed a boiling vessel in their shermans as well?

TL;DR assumed 17pdr and 76mm M1A1/2 are same gun, am wrong.

[Dogbeast]

You're silly. Look at the stats. Guns are not about diameter, they're about muzzle velocity. The British QF 17pdr could penetrate approximately 131mm or 30 degree sloped armour at 1000m (go Wiki!) and the 76mm M1 on the Easy Eight could manage 92mm at 1000m of UNSLOPED armour. Not only that, but the 17pdr round also had more mass (was heavier) so can deal more damage on impact both through the velocity and the mass (physics win!)

So yes. The Firefly ought to have some pretty hard core accuracy and penetration/damage. It ought to be comparable to a decent Tier 8 gun but on a Tier 5 tank chassis, so maybe a Tier 6 premium?

TL;DR: IT'S NOT THE DIAMETER, STUPID, IT'S THE VELOCITY

I get the physics part just <didn't do the research>. Figured the brits slapped that cannon of theirs on sherman and murcans went "Huh, what a good idea" and whiped up some E8's. With their gun obsession you'd figure they wouldn't be using an inferior cannon. Oh well. I am assuming the brits installed a boiling vessel in their shermans as well?

TL;DR assumed 17pdr and 76mm M1A1/2 are same gun, am wrong.

It's kind of a funny story.

Brits wanted a better AT gun on their Shermans, but the US wouldn't retool their factories to develop a better gun. They felt that the gun was a good compromise between infantry-support and AT duties. Besides, the US still ran with the Tank Destroyer doctine where they had normal tanks for infantry support and Tank Destroyers (ie Slugger, Hellcat, etc) for AT duties. And if it came down to it, the US would rather produce more Shermans than having to retool factories and rearming their tanks with a whole new kind of ammo (supply chain was very long, and take transportation into consideration from US to Europe) and skill-set. This is also discounting that the Sherman's had good HE ammo which the 17pdr gun lacked (remember, it was originally a towed AT gun).

So the British wanted to place a gun that they knew was proven to defeat German armor into their Shermans but couldn't figure out how. IIRC, this problem persisted with people trying to even develop plans for a different turret to house the 17pdr gun, but were limited by the turret ring size and war materials for the development. That is until someone figured that instead of trying to modify the gun's recoil, they would just redesign it to the task at hand. Then they turned the gun on it's side for easier loading. And thus the Firefly was born.

But since it took effort and time to convert Shermans to the Firefly, the British continued to use the normal 75 and 76mm Shermans in addition to their Fireflys. The # of Shermans greatly outnumbered the Fireflys that it was issued as 1 Firefly per troop. And because Fireflys had a much longer and distinct barrel than other Shermans, they became known to German units and were given priority to be taken out over other tank types.

[Th3GoodSon]

...so the British developed specific tactics to counter this, most often by having the Firefly setup in 'overwatch' like a sniper where it could both act as a spotter and provide accurate fire support, capable of defeating existing German armor and obtaining a good kill/loss ratio. Eventually the Americans got it and started to refuse delivery of sub-76mm tanks, focusing on producing the 90mm Pershing as a Firefly replacement by the end of the war, while the Brits took lessons to add to the Centurion, focusing on ensuring it was capable of long range, accurate and hard hitting fire

Finished the story for you

Via HTC Sensation

[filingo]

.. and then the strong soviet wood crushed all of the puny western babby tanks for glory of dear leader stalin..

[Th3GoodSon]

Russian fantasy tanks win again!

Via HTC Sensation

[Stormscion]

You're silly. Look at the stats. Guns are not about diameter, they're about muzzle velocity. The British QF 17pdr could penetrate approximately 131mm or 30 degree sloped armour at 1000m (go Wiki!) and the 76mm M1 on the Easy Eight could manage 92mm at 1000m of UNSLOPED armour. Not only that, but the 17pdr round also had more mass (was heavier) so can deal more damage on impact both through the velocity and the mass (physics win!)

So yes. The Firefly ought to have some pretty hard core accuracy and penetration/damage. It ought to be comparable to a decent Tier 8 gun but on a Tier 5 tank chassis, so maybe a Tier 6 premium?

TL;DR: IT'S NOT THE DIAMETER, STUPID, IT'S THE VELOCITY

I get the physics part just <didn't do the research>. Figured the brits slapped that cannon of theirs on sherman and murcans went "Huh, what a good idea" and whiped up some E8's. With their gun obsession you'd figure they wouldn't be using an inferior cannon. Oh well. I am assuming the brits installed a boiling vessel in their shermans as well?

TL;DR assumed 17pdr and 76mm M1A1/2 are same gun, am wrong.

It's kind of a funny story.

Brits wanted a better AT gun on their Shermans, but the US wouldn't retool their factories to develop a better gun. They felt that the gun was a good compromise between infantry-support and AT duties. Besides, the US still ran with the Tank Destroyer doctine where they had normal tanks for infantry support and Tank Destroyers (ie Slugger, Hellcat, etc) for AT duties. And if it came down to it, the US would rather produce more Shermans than having to retool factories and rearming their tanks with a whole new kind of ammo (supply chain was very long, and take transportation into consideration from US to Europe) and skill-set. This is also discounting that the Sherman's had good HE ammo which the 17pdr gun lacked (remember, it was originally a towed AT gun).

So the British wanted to place a gun that they knew was proven to defeat German armor into their Shermans but couldn't figure out how. IIRC, this problem persisted with people trying to even develop plans for a different turret to house the 17pdr gun, but were limited by the turret ring size and war materials for the development. That is until someone figured that instead of trying to modify the gun's recoil, they would just redesign it to the task at hand. Then they turned the gun on it's side for easier loading. And thus the Firefly was born.

But since it took effort and time to convert Shermans to the Firefly, the British continued to use the normal 75 and 76mm Shermans in addition to their Fireflys. The # of Shermans greatly outnumbered the Fireflys that it was issued as 1 Firefly per troop. And because Fireflys had a much longer and distinct barrel than other Shermans, they became known to German units and were given priority to be taken out over other tank types.

Yankees not gonna listen to the damn red coats !

Russian fantasy tanks win again!

Via HTC Sensation

SOVIET POWER SUPREME

[Max Teranous]

The Comet was armed with the same 17 pounder as the Firefly, and in WoT world that's a tier 7 medium. So i expect it'll be balanced at that level, and the firefly will be a tier 6 premium for hilarity.

Personally i want a Churchill Crocodile, flame thrower tanks are the best :-)

Max

[Th3GoodSon]

Sounds about right Max. Comet of course has OMGLOLFAIL turret :/

Via HTC Sensation

[Daco]

That was built in the 30s yeah?

So it can be in the game???

[filingo]

yeah, but the panther 3 cant because it was built in 2045