Don't get one of these if you ever plan on wanting to attach a PS3 or any other device which doesn't allow resolution configuration at source. HP have been cheap cunts and so haven't included a letterboxing feature, so it just flat out refuses to display a 16:9 digital signal. and its apparently hardware related so they can't put out a firmware fix.Originally Posted by Devec
I got burned by that and I'm still a bit pissed off with it. Although apart from that its a fantastic monitor.
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Those Catleaps look pretty awesome, however the eBay auctions for the dual-link DVI versions say that they're not compatible with 5850s. Why is that? It looks like the 5850 should do dual-link DVI.
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I don't think they are completely incompatible. There's an issue with the Catleaps (and most of the other cheap Korean 27" IPS screens) that they don't contain scaler hardware and must be fed a native res signal or the screen stays blank. Most cards detect that and will upscale the BIOS and Windows boot screens to 2560x1440, but the 5800 cards have an odd video BIOS that can't cope with that so there's no picture until the graphics driver kicks in just before the log-in screen.
Ahhh; thanks. Hm. Will keep that in mind when it comes time to upgrade again.I don't think they are completely incompatible. There's an issue with the Catleaps (and most of the other cheap Korean 27" IPS screens) that they don't contain scaler hardware and must be fed a native res signal or the screen stays blank. Most cards detect that and will upscale the BIOS and Windows boot screens to 2560x1440, but the 5800 cards have an odd video BIOS that can't cope with that so there's no picture until the graphics driver kicks in just before the log-in screen.
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Bought Catleap myself. Delivery was under 2 weeks from Korea to Finland, total cost was like 410e or something like that for perfect pixel version including custom fees etc. Image quality is excellent for my uneducated eye, colors are loads better than my old 24" TN LCD. Screen coating is bit reflecting, but i thing its unavoidable nowadays and it should not be that bad compared to mirror like ones used by some manufacturers. Quality seems to be cheap as suspected but that does not bother me. There is little bit of high frequensy noice coming from it when showing white screens, but not enough to bother me. Should be fixable by opening monitor and putting some hot glue or something over componenets, overclockers forum has about that I thing.
Personally would have preferred 30" version though if there was one, pixes are little bit too small for 27" monitor after been used to larger pixel size using old 24" monitor, but seems I have got used to it now, it just felt too small first when everything was smaller than earlier. Thinging about ordering another Catleap so that can get rid of old 24" one.
I get very similar issue with old dell 24" monitor used with brand new amd7850. Boots up fine, shows windows logo, but then just sits there with black screen and monitor switching from one mode to another endlessly. Switching monitor off and on fixes it and shows windows login screen as normal.I don't think they are completely incompatible. There's an issue with the Catleaps (and most of the other cheap Korean 27" IPS screens) that they don't contain scaler hardware and must be fed a native res signal or the screen stays blank. Most cards detect that and will upscale the BIOS and Windows boot screens to 2560x1440, but the 5800 cards have an odd video BIOS that can't cope with that so there's no picture until the graphics driver kicks in just before the log-in screen.
Exact monitor model = dell e248WFP (connected via dvi-d). Not sure exactly what kind of card, just that it's a 7850. Never observed this before, maybe because I have second monitor connected via DisplayPort.
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if I may use this thread: what cable is the best to connect my laptop to a screen? I got HDMI and the D-SUb (I think, blue port)
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That's what i have bought it for 290€ and i am realy realy realy realy happy with it.
It has everything i wanted, good connectivity, awesome color, good angle vision and image quality and on top of that he's realy flexible and has a realy great built in menu.
I have seen pretty much all the dell IPS at work installed plenty of them and i wouldn't buy one over this one ever, but taht's maybe because i hate most dell shit because i work with it all day at work.
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Have one of these, very pleased with it.
1900x1200, great colours and looks good in sunlight. I'd get a twin for it but the money would be better spent on a new GPU.
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I personally prefer DVI-D but not all laptops come with them. The HDMI plugs are wobbly at best in most cases, I'd really like to see some improvement there. Although you won't get audio transfer with DVI, both signals are digital. But they are easier to install as you just plug in, so I would recommend those more for a temporary connection.
Their line up looks really good although those only come in 23 inch and the 24 inch jumps up to 401 euros from 270 for the 23 inch, so for one inch and 120 pixels more I would pay 130 euros more, which tbfh isn't worth it. Although the panel for the 23 inch is standard IPS and the 24 uses P-IPS. What I'm also seeing is that they have some cheaper monitors which use AMV, is anyone able to tell me what that is about and why they are cheaper than the IPS?
Ok last but not least, having seen that monitors offer some different luminances I started looking into what that was about. In short, the difference means fuck all. In detail the numbers mean very little because they are in candela per square meter. The surface area of most plus 20 inch monitors does not rise dramatically and they are all close around 0,15 m^2. Which if you take the 250-300-350 numbers of most monitors means that the difference in candela means very little. Then you have to take into account that monitors are not supposed to illuminate anyway and a candela of 40-50 is really low and is hampered by the view range as well. As in if you extend the view angle the projected surface area only increases and the illumination of that surface weakens. Meaning for brightness it means fuck all and can be disregarded, especially when you consider that an average 60W lightbulb puts out 160000 cd/m^2, with quite a big surface area when you unfold the entire lamp into a two dimensional plane.
TL;DR: cd/m^2 means fuck all when buying monitors as the 50-100 difference between them means little for brightness
My favourite choice so far goes for the Dell Ultrasharp U2412M mainly because of the 16:10 ratio. The asus comes second now, even though I care little about the one inch drop, the 16:9 ratio is not my favourite choice because I'm working on a 1680*1050 (16:10) screen now and much more prefer it than 16:9.
AMV/MVA/PVA all boils down to the same technology which is VA (Vertical Alignment). Not quite as good as IPS, but a lot better than TN. Decent viewing angles, nice vibrant blacks, but not quite IPS quality.
About the PA238Q - I own one and I love it. Yes, it's 16:9 but I really can't be bothered to pay the premium for a 16:10. Solid piece of kit, viewing angles are excellent, factory pre-calibration is good (not perfect but good), input options and OSD is excellent, no noticeable lag. Stand is also brilliant. Literally the only problem I have with it is that it makes my other 22" TN panel look like shit sat next to it.
There is a TINY amount of backlight bleed but it's literally only noticeable when you first turn it on - it's like a spot the size of your little fingernail in the very corner. YMMV etc
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You mean MVA? That's Taiwanese screen maker AU Optronic's version of the Vertical Alignment (VA) LCD technology. VA in general has slightly worse viewing angles than IPS, but compensates by producing much higher constrast and gorgeous deep, inky blacks. VA vs IPS is a contentious issue that monitor nerds argue about endlessly. I've used shed loads of IPS and VA monitors over the last 10 years or so and come to the conclusion that the best VA screens are unbeatable, but IPS is a better choice at the cheaper end of the market because VA is a complex technology to get right and budget VA screens aren't always much good.
Most of the current cheap MVA screens pretty much end up in that category. They look great at a glance, nice bold colours and deep blacks, but viewing angles are visibly poorer than IPS (still better than any TN panel, though) and their response time is fairly poor, so they're better suited to office use than gaming or video work.
On screen brightness: for home users it's completely irrelevant because optimal image quality is achieved at about 120cd/m2 under typical domestic lighting, so any modern monitor is going to need its brightness turned well down. One of my monitors is a 24" VA that's rated at 500cd/m2 maximum and it's completely eye-searing at maximum brightness, painful to use under anything but bright fluorescent lighting.
So having done a little bit of browsing around the 19:10 ratio seems to have quite fewer monitors out there than 19:6. Having looked at 2414m reviews I'm not really happy about the whole ghosting deal. That leaves the hp which doesn't allow resolution changing or upgrading to a 2410, which is 380.
Another option would be the Samsung PLS monitors, like this one: http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/m.../LS24A850DW/ZA
Would be an option if I'm going to move to the higher price tag. Although I have no experience with PLS monitors, so can't say anything about their performance.
Thing is, I don't want ghosting because I want to use it for gaming but I also would like some vibrant colours and good contrast for movie watching and the occasional photo shopping. So that leaves two options. One spend more cash, two wait a bit until new monitors hit the market which might reduce the price tag.
PLS is Samsung's proprietary version of IPS. It's gorgeous. But that monitor only has DVI-D and VGA so isn't really viable for a multi-use screen.
I've read several reviews of the 2412M and nobody has ever mentioned ghosting as being more than EVER SO SLIGHTLY noticeable. Which is true of almost any non-TN panel if you're really looking for it. You won't notice it in real life applications.
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You won't notice ghosting unless you run a specific ghosting test. See if you can find the monitor and actually try a game out on it.
At home I have a PLP setup with two Dell 2007FP on the sides and a Dell 3007WFP in the middle.
At work I have a PLP setup with two HP LP2065 on the sides and a HP LP2465 in the middle.
The HP screens are really good and dirt cheap on eBay.
Well I'm thinking a DVI-D port is all I need. Seeing as how this screen is supposed to be for my pc and I'm not intending on using it as a tv screen or anything of that order. Seeing as how I use my pc as for all my media, I am not really in need of a tv atm any way. However the pricetag then puts me square into the price range of the Dell U2410. So the question then is why not get the Dell. Other than less power use with the LED screen of course.
Another alternative is this 16:9 Samsung screen: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001580
However that seems to be a MVA screen, which shouldn't be a problem as far as I understand.
The thing is, I wouldn't mind throwing another 80-100 euros on top of my budget, seeing as how long the monitor should last. I can't imagine I ever need anything bigger than 24 inch for home use and I don't expect resolutions to jump up that much in 3-4 years. So the question then is if it's worth making an investment into a somewhat more expensive monitor but then being able to enjoy the quality of it for longer.
In the end I have ordered a 2412M because the price was right and it was really the best choice within the price/features bracket I was looking at.
What I found out about PLS screen is that it is relatively new technology, which if they want to compete with the prices of the established IPS screens the production value goes down. Which was really noticeable on the first generation, so maybe if the technology has matured some more I might decided to get one of those. But for now I'll stick with the Dell.
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