CCP Decision on B Teams

[Bacchanalian]

So far we have CCP cracking me up (Soundwave is just a funny dude, was a pleasure to meet him in Iceland even if I was three sheets to the wind plastered), unbelievably epic amounts of tears, and the worst tourney ever because the only two teams in all of EVE that are any good won't be there because they thought they were above the rules that CCP specifically laid out to prevent them from buttfucking the tournament like they did last year just for the :smug: factor.

ATX best AT. And not a single shot has been fired yet. God I love this.

[Mfume]

Yeh nobody wants decent teams in the AT. It's cool when PL win by outmetagaming all the shit alliances.

they don't want to watch a horrible match between the two best teams, they want to be entertained.

[fng]

R u not entertained?
(by this thread ^^)

[Lallante]

Intigo and the others sperging have already made this the best tournament yet.

[Durzel]

This is the real alliance tournament. It's all downhill from here.

[Blutreiter]

Last AT finale sucked so much wang, you could have it crowned king of thailand.

Hydrabreak have redeemed themselves by being the source of utter hilarity these past days. 2 thumbs up for the drama!

[Namamai]

Last AT finale sucked so much wang, you could have it crowned king of thailand.

Hydrabreak have redeemed themselves by being the source of utter hilarity these past days. 2 thumbs up for the drama!

QFT.

Neckbeards Online: Chinferno has never been better. And to think, we've still got over a month of sperge, bitterness, and :hemad: before the first fights actually starts.

[intrikit]

and now CCP is deleting posts in the auction thread because a few people suggested that HYDRA or Outbreak should be given the 16th slot that wasn't sold today

http://eve-search.com/thread/113032-1/page/2

https://forums.eveonline.com/default...91#post1369591

CCP in :spacenazi:


Edit: The wise thing to do would be to take such decisions in advance and then informing the affected alliances. Leaving them with a chance to compete with one team would be fair enough.

how is this spacenazi? they try to court sponsors (ccp are a business, much as we like to forget), and the sponsors see something which annoys them. the metagame et al may be fun for us (or some of us), but the end product is sponsors feel shafted. so they try and clamp down on metagaming.

then you expect them to mail everybody who might try and game this? i would like to think there are enough intelligent people in the concerned corps/alliances who would realise 'ccp are probably pissed, lets be totally by the book for this'

Sponsors, better than paying customers since 2003.

For serious, tho: I'm a pretty casual fail pilot that loves the idea of EVE but am constantly bitter about it. AT has always been laughable, at best. Last years AT was the best one, so far. Outbreak vs Darkside was amazing and I thought it was awesome that two teams, piloted by different people (not just a second team of alt characters piloted by the same people), were able to use the meta game and some great piloting to take 1 and 2. Hell, a conga line for 10 mins with just hydra shooting 1 outbreak frig would have been more entertaining than most ~real fights~. It is no worse than watching a poker match and the final two players make a deal to split the pot and no "epic showdown" happens. Sure, it is not good entertainment, but not all final matches, superbowls, world cups, world series, boxing matches, etc.. are awesome. But some stories are better than their endings. This years AT will be less genuine knowing that two good teams and previous top two will not be back to defend what they won. Even if they didn't deliver some over-hyped expectation of providing us a good-til-the-last-bullet fight.

CCP has always been bad about PR and handling of situations they didn't plan for. This year, they lowered the bar. It is their game, they can and will do with it whatever they choose, but this smells very "Greed is Good," FEARLESS, Incarna to me... Sucks for Hydra, Outbreak, this years AT competitors, and the entire EvE playerbase.

[StevieTopSiders]

Even if they didn't deliver some over-hyped expectation of providing us a good-til-the-last-bullet fight.

So, expecting two teams to kill each other, in a pvp tournament, is "over-hyped expectation?"

Not so, ser. Not so...

[intrikit]

Even if they didn't deliver some over-hyped expectation of providing us a good-til-the-last-bullet fight.

So, expecting two teams to kill each other, in a pvp tournament, is "over-hyped expectation?"

Not so, ser. Not so...

Vindicator kills all ships, pretty sure that qualifies as "kill each other." People aren't mad because ships didn't explode. They did, "ser." They are mad because it wasn't entertaining to them, which is because they had this "over-hyped expectation" that the final fight must be close and the winner should barely win in glorious explody fashion. If Hydra came out and facerolled Outbreak, everyone would have been whining that it wasn't entertaining and Outbreak didn't try because they were "colluding."

I'm no fanboi of any alliance or team or whatever but, I believe HydraBreak did try to provide an entertaining final fight and failed, miserably, at that. And since the plan was for Hydra to win all along if they both made it, they had to let themselves be killed off in a less than glorious fashion. So they are good at structured, "fair" pvp and bad at faking it. The punishment is very petty and so is everyone who expects it to be a nail-biting goodfight. If you want sparkly-splody pvp with expected outcomes, I'm pretty sure WoW, RIFT, TERA, LoL, etc.. would welcome you.

AT IX was an amazing expression of what is possible in EVE, just like GHSC corp thieving, like kestrel's with 40+ plex in them exploding in Jita, and Gewns "burning" Jita.

[Lallante]

Even if they didn't deliver some over-hyped expectation of providing us a good-til-the-last-bullet fight.

So, expecting two teams to kill each other, in a pvp tournament, is "over-hyped expectation?"

Not so, ser. Not so...

Vindicator kills all ships, pretty sure that qualifies as "kill each other." People aren't mad because ships didn't explode. They did, "ser." They are mad because it wasn't entertaining to them, which is because they had this "over-hyped expectation" that the final fight must be close and the winner should barely win in glorious explody fashion. If Hydra came out and facerolled Outbreak, everyone would have been whining that it wasn't entertaining and Outbreak didn't try because they were "colluding."

I'm no fanboi of any alliance or team or whatever but, I believe HydraBreak did try to provide an entertaining final fight and failed, miserably, at that. And since the plan was for Hydra to win all along if they both made it, they had to let themselves be killed off in a less than glorious fashion. So they are good at structured, "fair" pvp and bad at faking it. The punishment is very petty and so is everyone who expects it to be a nail-biting goodfight. If you want sparkly-splody pvp with expected outcomes, I'm pretty sure WoW, RIFT, TERA, LoL, etc.. would welcome you.

AT IX was an amazing expression of what is possible in EVE, just like GHSC corp thieving, like kestrel's with 40+ plex in them exploding in Jita, and Gewns "burning" Jita.

go back to lurking

[Blutreiter]

Even with everyone sperging around that Hydra and Outbreak were the only serious threats in AT IX and thusly should be on AT X... you know what? I don't give one flying fuck. Because you are forgetting 1 thing.

People have been looking forward to AT X and some of them are even actively training for it. We *might* get lucky and see much better action than what was provided to us last year (especially minus the final round - i'd rather see shuttles PvPing) and while I am not holding my breath, I am still looking forward to it and I as a viewer do not take kindly on people taking a huge poop on my viewing pleasure.

Tell me more about your sandboxes.

[depili]

TBH, most matches in various AT's have been utter garbage to watch as one team has just steamrolled the other, in the worst case by a ECM setup that has less dps than ibis and thus takes 15min to kill one ship... In the last few AT's the ewar setups have been really popular and powerful but they make really boring matches to watch...

[Amanto]

i didnt even watch or pay attention to the last alliance tourney

[Smuggo]

TBH, most matches in various AT's have been utter garbage to watch as one team has just steamrolled the other, in the worst case by a ECM setup that has less dps than ibis and thus takes 15min to kill one ship... In the last few AT's the ewar setups have been really popular and powerful but they make really boring matches to watch...

Just like they are in the main game...

Ewar nerf plz CCP.

[Lallante]

This could be the year of the tracking disruptor if the changes go live.

[The Monkeysphere]

[00:13:13] <01one> !two si ah-b
[00:13:20] <01t|two> one: AH-B84 [-0.53] Branch // 13 belts, 64 moons, 8 planets, 3 gates, 1 station // 81 pilots (32 docked) // 167 jumps, 0 rats, 0 ships, 1 pod // Circle-Of-Two
[00:16:17] <01one> !two loc joshimo, mrav, sidzo, jowan, gigx, ugrus, mario p, ignann, 2hertz, zemljoradnik
[00:16:26] <01t|two> one: Joshimo [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Abaddon (1659929144) "BROD" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:16:28] <01t|two> one: Mrav [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Damnation (1820375976) "Harbinger" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:16:30] <01t|two> one: Sidzo [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Hurricane (2042771854) "Final Fantasy" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:16:31] <01t|two> one: Jowan [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Abaddon (1331358232) "Zlo" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:16:33] <01t|two> one: gigX [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Hurricane (2047158476) "gigX's Hurricane" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:16:35] <01t|two> one: Ugrus [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Thrasher (1581039052) "oprljisha" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:16:37] <01t|two> one: mario p [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Thrasher (1867972295) "Mis 2" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:16:38] <01t|two> one: Ignann [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Sabre (2041326257) "LadyCat's Sabre" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:16:40] <01t|two> one: 2hertz [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Sabre (2043461097) "LadyCat's Sabre" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:16:42] <01t|two> one: zemljoradnik [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Guardian (506533901) "CO2 LOG" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:17:53] <01@three> yeah
[00:17:55] <01@three> im around
[00:17:58] <01@three> why?
[00:18:20] <01one> nothing
[00:18:27] <01one> had to prod CENSORED a bit

[00:19:19] <01one> that's what i did
[00:20:46] <01one> CENSORED says they're ready for the setup they brought
[00:21:04] <01one> insha'allah, we will crush the infidels
[00:22:52] <01one> !two loc joshimo, mrav, sidzo, jowan, gigx, ugrus, mario p, ignann, 2hertz, zemljoradnik
[00:22:59] <01t|two> one: Joshimo [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Abaddon (1659929144) "BROD" // AH 5R81 (AH-B84)
[00:23:01] <01t|two> one: Mrav [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Damnation (1820375976) "Harbinger" // UA7-U4
[00:23:02] <01t|two> one: Sidzo [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Hurricane (2042771854) "Final Fantasy" // UA7-U4
[00:23:04] <01t|two> one: Jowan [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Abaddon (1331358232) "Zlo" // UA7-U4
[00:23:06] <01t|two> one: gigX [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Dominix (899819994) "gigX's Dominix" // UA7-U4
[00:23:07] <01t|two> one: Ugrus [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Thrasher (1581039052) "oprljisha" // UA7-U4
[00:23:09] <01t|two> one: mario p [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Thrasher (1867972295) "Mis 2" // UA7-U4
[00:23:11] <01t|two> one: Ignann [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Sabre (2041326257) "LadyCat's Sabre" // UA7-U4
[00:23:12] <01t|two> one: 2hertz [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Sabre (2043461097) "LadyCat's Sabre" // UA7-U4
[00:23:14] <01t|two> one: zemljoradnik [SRBI] <CO2> (online) // Guardian (506533901) "CO2 LOG" // UA7-U4
[00:25:47] <01one> !two loc admiral goberius, mr. rive
[00:25:50] <01t|two> one: No such character: mr. rive
[00:25:55] <01one> !two loc admiral goberius, mr rive
[00:26:00] <01t|two> one: Admiral Goberius [NESW] <-10.0> (online) // Nemesis (1967686621) "THE DREAM IN FINALS!" // UA7-U4
02[00:26:01] * t|nish (ircbot@hur) Quit (Connection closed)
[00:26:04] <01t|two> one: Mr Rive [OMEGA] <-10.0> (online) // Capsule (2045573913) "Mr Rive's Capsule" // Aurohunen V - Moon 17 - Mercantile Club Bureau
[00:27:03] <01@three> argh whendoes match start
03[00:27:05] * t|sphere (ircbot@dur) has joined #hax
[00:28:31] <01one> 2 minutes

[Raimo]

lol

[blaad]

Good to see CCP managed to make ATX free of this metagaming bullshit.

[noobcake]

This could be the year of the tracking disruptor if the changes go live.

I hear tracking disruptors now affect missiles

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