People would complain and throw bitchfits no matter how it turned out. Should just let them field both red and blue players on the same team.Originally Posted by KalRyan
Cause no one would complain and throw bitchfits about what appears to be special treatment in the CCP sanctioned tournament, amirite?
And why, pray tell, should CCP do that, creating special exceptions ("Hey, they got a special exception! I want my buddy to be able to participate too, even though he's not in my alliance!") instead of making everyone follow the same rules?People would complain and throw bitchfits no matter how it turned out. Should just let them field both red and blue players on the same team.Cause no one would complain and throw bitchfits about what appears to be special treatment in the CCP sanctioned tournament, amirite?
yep! that way they would only get one team in and nobody should give a fuckPeople would complain and throw bitchfits no matter how it turned out. Should just let them field both red and blue players on the same team.Cause no one would complain and throw bitchfits about what appears to be special treatment in the CCP sanctioned tournament, amirite?
but "blabla not same alliance" people will cry about rule-breaking, zzz
Then let both red and blue enter as seperate entries, they are clearly not an A and B team situation.And why, pray tell, should CCP do that, creating special exceptions ("Hey, they got a special exception! I want my buddy to be able to participate too, even though he's not in my alliance!") instead of making everyone follow the same rules?People would complain and throw bitchfits no matter how it turned out. Should just let them field both red and blue players on the same team.Cause no one would complain and throw bitchfits about what appears to be special treatment in the CCP sanctioned tournament, amirite?
Edit: Also because CCP changing their decision is affecting how many pilots can compete. If they had changed their decision last week, all would of fine because at least then all of the pilots could of joined the same alliance.
Clearly not? When they both have the same CEO?Then let both red and blue enter as seperate entries, they are clearly not an A and B team situation.And why, pray tell, should CCP do that, creating special exceptions ("Hey, they got a special exception! I want my buddy to be able to participate too, even though he's not in my alliance!") instead of making everyone follow the same rules?People would complain and throw bitchfits no matter how it turned out. Should just let them field both red and blue players on the same team.Cause no one would complain and throw bitchfits about what appears to be special treatment in the CCP sanctioned tournament, amirite?
Hmmm.
Sorry, I just don't have any sympathy for CCP not bending their rules for them. As I said, this is the price you pay for being a unique snowflake :P
Eh? They are the most official A & B situation possible. Players would swap alliances or fleets all day long to work together on TQ anyway. They are as 1 alliance except they use the game mechanics to easily flag who's in the current 'opposing' fleets for balanced pew. Or that's the stated goal anyway.
Also, thread delivers, etc.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default...81#post1347681
Let's start a party of our own
all good then~
All is well in RvB land.
I was disappointed that my alliance that was made specifically to compete in ATX was not selected on the draw, and I am miffed precisely because many of the rich and large alliances didn't get selected in the draw, and I worry that the bidding for the remaining 32 slots will quickly outpace the small pool that we would be willing to spend. So last year the slots went for about 20Bil each, and I am not sure but maybe this is something we might be able to pay, but if the prices spiral out control to more than that then we will be left out.
Maybe next year they should ban all large alliances that consequentially are filthy rich from the random draw, so as to give smaller alliances a chance of participating, and have these large entities then bid their dozens of billions of isk to participate with their teams. PL or Goons or Solar for example have trillions of isk to burn in such things (and im sure private alliances of big players as well), but most of the smaller alliances cannot hope to have the funds to do such a thing.
Also, the devs said that there were only a total of 77 applicant alliances, so maybe the remaining 77-32=45 won't make it such a heated bidding war for the remaining 32 slots, even if 13 of the alliances won't make it (and unfortunately, the poorer ones, which may not mean the worst pilots).
Which brings me to my point:
If any large alliances here would like to use my corp and the alliance we created to force other alliances from participating by donating money we would appreciate it. If by any chance we manged to get prizes (which is a long shot), we could work out a deal of what percentage of the prizes the sponsor/s would get, which as of now i would think would be proportional to the % of isk that was donated for the auction price slot. Ie, If you donate 15bil and we spend a total of 30Bil for the slot, you would be entitled to 50% of the isk value of the payout (in bpcs or isk).
This is the link to our KB and to BC for our corp so you can peruse our stats:
http://pzza.eve-kill.net/
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboar...sive+Diplomacy
they're stressing the auctions way too much, its a bullshit moneygrab.
Came to thread, saw heretic nation
Watched vid, expected a joke about heretics probably not participating due to no orcas asslowed in tourney.
Left mad, nation has been alive since 06ish, that bastard...hell, our tourney team in bane alliance made it pretty high up 2 years running. Fu ccp, fu.
Also
Fu inventory
wtf???
The auctions are AFTER the random draw, this is because people specifically asked for it to be that way and this obviously LOWERS the overall price of the slots. There are 32 auction slots, this decreases the price of them by loads.
Sure it's retarded that they allow people not in the draw to jump into the auction, but I doubt anyone actually will. How is this a moneygrab?
No disrespect but you're not the only people in this position, I imagine there are many corps and alliances with exactly this viewpoint.
Unfortunately (for you) that's the nature of the beast when it comes to a system with a finite number of winners. Under the circumstances a "half chosen at random, half chosen by auction" is probably as fair as you can make it whilst still keeping it an attractive event. Yes, the likes of PL, Hydra, etc can buy themselves in via the auction, as it should be, because people want to see them and their wealth is a sign that they are successful in the game.
Having all of the teams completely chosen at random might be an interesting take on things but I suspect it would simply lead to comments about how "X would've won if they hadn't been screwed over by the RNG". This way X can buy themselves in, and if they're halfway notable they can probably afford to.
Sorry you weren't lucky enough to be chosen at random, but them's the breaks. You are not special in that context.
Clearly, forcing teams to spend money is an example of CCP's greed and not at all an attempt to narrow the field to the most prepared teams.
I mean sure, CCP is getting money from the PLEX etc. but the auction itself is VERY fair and MUCH improved over the last timeClearly, forcing teams to spend money is an example of CCP's greed and not at all an attempt to narrow the field to the most prepared teams.
and I know you're kidding, I just had to clarify and used your reply
No disrespect but you're not the only people in this position, I imagine there are many corps and alliances with exactly this viewpoint.
Unfortunately (for you) that's the nature of the beast when it comes to a system with a finite number of winners. Under the circumstances a "half chosen at random, half chosen by auction" is probably as fair as you can make it whilst still keeping it an attractive event. Yes, the likes of PL, Hydra, etc can buy themselves in via the auction, as it should be, because people want to see them and their wealth is a sign that they are successful in the game.
Having all of the teams completely chosen at random might be an interesting take on things but I suspect it would simply lead to comments about how "X would've won if they hadn't been screwed over by the RNG". This way X can buy themselves in, and if they're halfway notable they can probably afford to.
Sorry you weren't lucky enough to be chosen at random, but them's the breaks. You are not special in that context.
don't mind him he's insane.
I wouldn't worry. Yes, last year, the Auction slots went for ~16bil, but, there were 4 of them. A better comparison is the year before, when there were 16 slots, and the slots went for mostly base price, and afaik, no slots went over +1b over base price.No disrespect but you're not the only people in this position, I imagine there are many corps and alliances with exactly this viewpoint.
Unfortunately (for you) that's the nature of the beast when it comes to a system with a finite number of winners. Under the circumstances a "half chosen at random, half chosen by auction" is probably as fair as you can make it whilst still keeping it an attractive event. Yes, the likes of PL, Hydra, etc can buy themselves in via the auction, as it should be, because people want to see them and their wealth is a sign that they are successful in the game.
Having all of the teams completely chosen at random might be an interesting take on things but I suspect it would simply lead to comments about how "X would've won if they hadn't been screwed over by the RNG". This way X can buy themselves in, and if they're halfway notable they can probably afford to.
Sorry you weren't lucky enough to be chosen at random, but them's the breaks. You are not special in that context.
This year, there were 77 applying teams, and 64 will get in, so there wont be MUCH competition, and almost everyone will get in *anyway*. Counting normal fuckups people make (like missing to show up to the auction in time, etc), I am 90% sure most everyone who wants to get in, will get in, and the prices will be 5-7bil.
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Rivqua is right, but the silly Alliance his corp is in is already in :3
good. watching the same elite pvp alliances all the time is pretty boring, and the big guns can buy in anyway.
i4b they're all elite pvp alt alliances.
Last edited by ry ry; May 24 2012 at 12:41:13 PM.
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