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    Alright maybe I laid it on a little thick, but still, they'll have to take off under their own steam way before they're built in, and will be restricted/compromised when doing so.

    On the positive side, what other uses for them/similar tech can you think of? Where are people often situated and wanting to manipulate a control or screen, and would benefit from not having to get up & go to it? Or to have the surface/controls be expensive/physical/practical?
    Some sports practice or technical usage training? Physiotherapy/just being stuck in hospital beds (non-touchscreens don't need to worry about passing germs between users so much, even if touchscreens can already do the many-controls-in-1 thing)?

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    It might work better than facial recognition for sleeping/waking when a user sits in front of it. Maybe combined with facial recognition to be better.
    Hospitals make a lot of sense. Haven't thought of that. You have people who can't hold a tablet for whatever reason, but can move a limb.
    If the receptive area was bigger you could do some sexy things at a dance club with one of your dancers.
    I'm still not convinced by all the naysaying here about its lack of utility for standard desktop applications. A 3d artist might like it to move an object around or manipulate it in combination with a mouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frug View Post
    woah woah, you're entering dpidcoe levels of gibbering rage here. Calm yourself son.
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    So, this could turn a small plank of wood/plastic into an n-string guitar, no? As long as it can see enough of your fingertips and the fingerboard, it can work out where you're touching vertically for each fingertip (or even near-missing), and for the whole length that a string would be. As long as you don't twist what you're holding so as to obscure it's view? Maybe have it facing towards the user rather than up from below?

    It can work out where fingers are, but isn't limited to just having such manipulators in the field of view, you can throw in some inanimate surfaces/floating objects, and have the user & screen simulate additional elements.
    Full length piano without equally giant touch-screen investment, just another plank/fold out surface & a couple of sensors + software?

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    Would that be useful though? We already have keyboards that project onto desks as well.

    I wonder if you can use it to track head movement to do the same sort of virtual 3d that guy did with the nintendo wiimote a couple of years ago (this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw ) Wouldn't a kinect be capable of this? Or does it lack the sensitivity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frug View Post
    Would that be useful though? We already have keyboards that project onto desks as well.
    It would presumably have more accurate tracking than current solutions (I'm thinking of that bluetooth laser projection keyboard on think geek).

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    I wonder if you can use it to track head movement to do the same sort of virtual 3d that guy did with the nintendo wiimote a couple of years ago (this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw ) Wouldn't a kinect be capable of this? Or does it lack the sensitivity?
    Any webcam can do that: http://facetracknoir.sourceforge.net/home/default.htm

    Where it might come in handy though is if it's actually using some kind of laser rangefinding (I can't find anything about the actual tech on their site). Tracking via camera becomes significantly more accurate and responsive if you can overlay distance data on top of an image. Build a webcam into the thing and you'd have a face tracker to end all face trackers.

    edit: people can't take differing opinions itt:
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    I noticed you complained about pattern negrepping you in the daythread too for shitting this thread up. You're seriously pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frug View Post
    I noticed you complained about pattern negrepping you in the daythread too for shitting this thread up.
    So tell me, are you so mad that you can't read straight anymore, or just accusing me of being an alt of daniel? I know both our names start with 'd', but seriously? They have different amounts of letters for gods sake: http://www.failheap-challenge.com/sh...086#post461086

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    You're seriously pathetic.
    You're the one who's getting mad and throwing insults over some reasonably negative comments about this vaporware you seem to have a hardon for, I really suggest that you step back and look at yourself for a second. (or at the least just re-read the thread realizing that "dpidcoe" is spelled considerably differently than "Daneel Trevize")

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    Haha, oh man. The dude pm's to say that my orgional neg rep doesn't count then whines in the day thread 5 minutes after getting a real one. What a sensitive little bitch.

    As for this thread, I have no idea if this device will *change everything*, but I and a lot of peoplei work with want one and could see it potentially fitting into there work flow, even before the inevitable OS switch.

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    m8, you felt the need to create a second account just to make a little red pic appear and a -1 in a meaningless database.

    All you people giving a shit about rep and even using the system in the first place. The only funny thing was Pattern tried to and didn't even know how it works.



    BTW, how good would this idea be for scanning 3D things? They probably can't be too concave, but with a camera you could also build a texture map to apply to an extrapolated surface. Turn physical objects into 3D virtual ones quickly & easily?

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    ITT Daneel Trevize declears the rep system meaningless after pming me to tell me I'm doing it wrong and bitching about neg reps to everyone after recieving one. GG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    m8, you felt the need to create a second account just to make a little red pic appear and a -1 in a meaningless database.
    From that link
    will ship sometime during the December-through-February time frame
    That sounds like quite some time away.

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    Well my ignore list has grown by one. It is now 3, although I think herschel died.

    You two are terrible and both take this rep crap too seriously. You should both +1 eachother and make up. Oh wait, pattern can't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post
    I have no idea if this device will *change everything*, but I and a lot of peoplei work with want one and could see it potentially fitting into there work flow, even before the inevitable OS switch.
    The only person who should be talking about how it will *change everything* is their marketing guy who spouts stuff like that because he's paid to.

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    BTW, how good would this idea be for scanning 3D things? They probably can't be too concave, but with a camera you could also build a texture map to apply to an extrapolated surface. Turn physical objects into 3D virtual ones quickly & easily?
    Probably terrible or they'd have shown that off. I bet it can only do fingers well and then extrapolates hands from where they are. And December shipping? Lame. Remind me next year.

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    OK so far on the list of applications we have 1. being able to manipulate your PC without getting out of your chair.

    Last I checked, normal methods of controlling a PC work just fine while sitting in a chair.

    Its not like you can use your PC at your desk, then move across the room and continue using gestures. I can't view it right now but iirc the video specifies the zone it works in, which is a couple feet. If you setup your sensor somewhere like in the arm of your couch then you can only use it sitting in that position... not exactly flexible or any better than current technology. Or you could.. you know... use a remote control.

    Seems like a much closer range but more accurate kinect (which you can actually set up to control music/movies right now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool09 View Post
    OK so far on the list of applications we have 1. being able to manipulate your PC without getting out of your chair.
    I realize it's buried in this absolutely terrible thread but there have been a half dozen applications listed. afaik Pattern's industry specifically can use this to greatly supplement kb/mouse. I imagine one hand on the mouse and the other manipulating the object... If it can actually do depth well. It's not like you can't just rest your elbow on something and keep your hand up.
    Ofc they'd need to put out an app to control maya or 3ds or whatever it is people use these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool09 View Post
    Seems like a much closer range but more accurate kinect (which you can actually set up to control music/movies right now).
    Since they're not actually saying anything about the hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that's what it actually is. The camera sees a finite amount of pixels, so it would make sense that viewing from 1 foot away would give you more pixels actively tracking the object (rather than the empty room). Also, if you watch a few other videos of it, you can see it messing up the gesture recognition when the guy tries to zoom in and out on a map.

    I'll be really surprised if it actually works as well as they seem to think it will for 3d modeling. The thing with a mouse/keyboard/touchscreen is that all of those devices know when you're no longer giving input (you take your hand off it), but motion tracking doesn't. Obviously you can pull your hands out of the array, but it will still be registering that motion as you pull your hands out (notice in the videos how the guy accidentally pans the map on the end of every zoom gesture).

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    More from engaget.
    http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/25/l...logy-hands-on/

    Gorilla fingers amirite?

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    http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/26/31...sture-controls
    A look inside Leap Motion, the 3D gesture control that's like Kinect on steroids

    Leap Motion's not the household name Kinect is, but it should be — the company's motion-tracking system is more powerful, more accurate, smaller, cheaper, and just more impressive. Leap CTO David Holz came by the Verge's New York offices to give us a demo of the company's upcoming product (called The Leap), and suffice to say we're only begrudgingly returning to our mice and keyboards.



    The Leap uses a number of camera sensors to map out a workspace of sorts — it's a 3D space in which you operate as you normally would, with almost none of the Kinect's angle and distance restrictions. Currently the Leap uses VGA camera sensors, and the workspace is about three cubic feet; Holz told us that bigger, better sensors are the only thing required to make that number more like thirty feet, or three hundred. Leap's device tracks all movement inside its force field, and is remarkably accurate, down to 0.01mm. It tracks your fingers individually, and knows the difference between your fingers and the pencil you're holding between two of them.

    FINE-TUNED MOTION CONTROL CAN CHANGE MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY, GAMES, AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN

    Holz showed off a number of different use cases for Leap Motion's technology. The simplest thing it can do is simulate a touch screen, so you can interact with any display as if it were touch-enabled — we were slicing pineapples in Fruit Ninja in seconds, without a moment of extra development or additional software.

    Developers that do take advantage of the Leap's SDK will be able to do much more, however, and the possibilities appear to be limited only by your imagination. All kinds of different apps are being developed: some could improving remote surgery, others allow easier navigation through complex models and data, and others might put you square in the middle of a first-person shooter. It's like holding the Mario Kart steering wheel, but on a whole new level.

    Rather than mapping particular gestures (cross your arms to close the app, draw a circle to open a new window), Holz said developers are being encouraged to provide constant dynamic feedback. No one needed to be taught what pinch-to-zoom meant — it's the natural thing to try and do on a touchscreen, and as soon as you start pinching or spreading it becomes clear what happens. That's the paradigm for the Leap, Holz says: you should always be able to just do something, and the app or device should respond.

    YOU CAN BUY A LEAP NEXT YEAR, BUT IT MIGHT BE INSIDE YOUR OTHER DEVICES TOO

    Leap Motion's plans are huge (Holz mentioned a few times wanting to totally upend traditional computing methods) but the company's playing its cards close. The Leap will cost $70 when it's released — sometime between December and February — and Leap Motion is also working with OEMs to embed its technology into devices. The Leap is about the size of a USB drive, but Holz says it could easily be no larger than a dime, so adding it to a laptop or tablet shouldn't be difficult.

    Developers are apparently beating down the company's doors for access to the technology — Holz said thousands of Leaps will be given away in the next few months, before it's released to the public. That's no surprise: after only a few minutes of cutting fruit, scrolling around maps and webpages, and navigating through huge 3D spaces, all without ever touching a thing, we're pretty sure we've seen the next big thing in computing.

    The natural comparison to any motion control is Minority Report, an imagined future everyone seems to desperately want to come true. We asked Holz about the comparison, and if Leap Motion's technology meant we'd all have Tom Cruise's awesome PreCrime dashboard in the future.

    "No," he told us. "It'll be even better."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post
    Leap's device tracks all movement inside its force field, and is remarkably accurate, down to 0.01mm.
    0.01mm

    0.01mm

    CRITICAL BULLSHIT DETECTED, ABANDON SHIP!

    For comparison, a typical mechanical pencil uses 0.5mm lead.

    Here's a picture of a stick of 0.5mm pencil lead next to a US dime.

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    They're claiming accuracy to 1/50th of that width

    To put it another way. That bit of graphite is 500 microns wide. The paper it's sitting on is 96 microns thick. They claim they have 10 micron accuracy.

    Abandon thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophichius View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post
    Leap's device tracks all movement inside its force field, and is remarkably accurate, down to 0.01mm.
    0.01mm

    0.01mm

    CRITICAL BULLSHIT DETECTED, ABANDON SHIP!

    For comparison, a typical mechanical pencil uses 0.5mm lead.

    Here's a picture of a stick of 0.5mm pencil lead next to a US dime.

      Spoiler:



    They're claiming accuracy to 1/50th of that width

    To put it another way. That bit of graphite is 500 microns wide. The paper it's sitting on is 96 microns thick. They claim they have 10 micron accuracy.

    Abandon thread.

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    I like how you went with the obvious bullshit instead of the fact they called it a forcefield despite no force being imparted at all.
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