Diablo III is now waiting for 1,000,000 MF swap tears

[sahtila]

Monk and DH experiences:

Leveled monk first, it was hard but doable (getting gear from AH of course) until start of act3 inferno, then got totally stuck there as gear is just not enough to tank long enough. I thing basic problem with monks is they do too low damage, afaik they are by far lowest dps class.Even though barbarians dps number can be low too in charsheet, they got lot more burst? Wondering if should go just offensive and buy 2h high damage weapon and try to nuke mobs fast but no idea if its reasonable with monks. For non-monks reading this, monk can tank pretty much anything for like 10 sec chaining cooldowns even when undergeared.

Then leveled DH, at inferno levels much different compared to monk. Act1 was pretty faceroll thanks to ridiculous dps, but Act2 was total bitch, gotta love all those ground burrowing/invisible mobs one shotting you. Still doable with lots of dieing and faster than monk was, but there was less room for error as DH gets one shot by mobs so single mistake/not being awake and pressing smokescreen 0.2 second too late -> new corpse run. Dh kills blues/yellow much better than monk but monk is better against trash. End of act2 boss (was it Belial) was really hard for me as DH. Boss Phase 2 is really hard as i dont have enough dps to go over it fast, after 5 hours got first time to phase3 and one shot it. Onwards to Act3 and this is maybe easier than act2 for DH, also loot drop quality difference is huge. Act2 dropped pretty much nada, act3 I am getting decent loot LOT more. Probably finishing act3 today as it its not been really that hard except when playing tired and dieing 4 times in a row against same Soul Ripper. Because its so hard to remember that mob is still in same exact place where I died previous time...
Btw I love using Spike Trap with Scatter, invaluable against Soul Rippers and invisible or burrowing mobs. Also nice against reflecting mobs, drop traps, when mobs run over them pop Smokescreen to not get damage.

[Rans]

Just played through the guest pass in one sitting, took about 3ish hours, not sure if I want to buy. it ended when I killed the sceleton king. How much is that of the entire game? 5%? 10?

That's basically the tutorial.
My Barbarian is on act 1 of hell with about 45 hours played - so say 60 hours to get to inferno in total as a casual.
On one char.
say you play 4/5 chars, you are looking at upwards of 300 hours before "crazymode + farming" kicks in, and that's without hardcore.
So about 0.1%
(YMMV)

Mate, I'm not a hardcore Diablo-fanboi, playing with different characters have no real value for me, replaying on harder levels are doubtful.
So, I rephrase, how much of one play-through have I played?


Edit:

Vortex, well then, I'm level 10 now, surely I haven't played through 1/3 of the game?

Don't be like that, diablo3 normal is absolutely no challenge, nightmare is no challenge except 2 bosses. when you start 3rd playthrough things start to get fun.

I'm an undergeared barb(lvl48 with lvl30-40 gear) and I haven't died yet in nightmare so it's just as easy.

[Itiken]

My GF has literally never played a computer game before in her life, and died over 30 times on the Skellington king before finally killing him. Then I received a happy phone call as she explained this tactic of dropping caltrops then running off and shooting him while he was slowed, trailing him in the circle.

Bless

[blaad]

Dear diary.

Magda is a joke. Khulle is p easy. Belial is rape in the anus. And in the throat. And in the nose drills.

Yesterday after unsuccessfully trying to get to phase 3 solo (DH), I tried again later with my germanspeakingwomanman (monk) mate. We can get to middle of phase 2 consistently (best try ~30%), but then the snakeguys finally manage to zerg me, I derp on green wave-like thingie or we get unlucky with globes and my mate dies. Will wipe some more this weekend. Anus still sore.

[Pattern]

What does h1 and h2 mean?

[Jolin]

What does h1 and h2 mean?

one-handed/two-handed?

[Pattern]

What does h1 and h2 mean?

one-handed/two-handed?

Thanks

And as a bench mark, what would a respectible dps number be for a lvl 60 wizard and monk?

[Cool09]

Depends how tanky you want to be. If the monk is really tanky he could be only around 10k.

For a wiz you want to be 30k+

[BLEURRRRGH]

Dear diary.

Magda is a joke. Khulle is p easy. Belial is rape in the anus. And in the throat. And in the nose drills.

Yesterday after unsuccessfully trying to get to phase 3 solo (DH), I tried again later with my germanspeakingwomanman (monk) mate. We can get to middle of phase 2 consistently (best try ~30%), but then the snakeguys finally manage to zerg me, I derp on green wave-like thingie or we get unlucky with globes and my mate dies. Will wipe some more this weekend. Anus still sore.

I just killed Belial solo as a Level 25 Demon Hunter, with a Templar follower filled with healing abilities. I don't mean to get you down, but I didn't find it too tough, though I think I've been really rather lucky when crafting gear; I leveled up when I killed him, so these figures will be slightly higher than they were, but I've got 322 DEX, 119 VIT, 484 Armour and 303 DPS. I think my DPS when I was fighting was around 280.

During Phase 1, I used Hungering Arrow with Shatter Shot Rune. Simply stood in the corner and fired away. My damage output was high enough that 1-2 shots would kill each of the demon thingies. Considering each arrow splits into three after it hits its first enemy, I was effectively killing two per shot.

Phase 2 was pretty much the same; the Shatter Shot Rune was probably suboptimal for this phase (I didn't change it as I didn't know what I was going to be up against), but there is time to change it between the phases, probably to the armour piercing ones. A combination of Clatrops, Fan of Knives and then Vault helped me keep my distance, followed by a long stream of arrows from Multishot.

Phase 3 was tougher and I came close to death a few times; my Templar was pretty much essential to my survival. I alternated between Hungering Arrow and Multishot (depending on how much Hatred I had available) to deal damage, while using Vault to get out of the way of Belial's attacks. My Templar got right up and slashed away and seemed to avoid most of the damage that way, since Belial was focused on me. He healed me at least three times during the fight and I had to use a healing potion on myself, but I wouldn't have said it was too tough. I've had tougher times chasing Treasure Goblins than I did with Belial.

To be honest, the game was starting to get quite tough at around level 22-24; up until then, my gear selection had revolved around increasing my %age chance of finding magical items as much as possible. Then I was playing with a buddy and he commented that my DPS seemed rather low. This may have been because he's a Wizard and uses lots of attacks that damage continuously, while my attacks chip away at enemy health, but I took his comment as an warning that I'm doing something wrong so spent about 5 minutes at the blacksmith crafting new gear followed by another 5 minutes visiting merchants, this time focusing on dexterity. I get +41 from my Quiver, +45 from my necklace w/ gem, +30 from my trousers w/ gem, +20 from my rings combined and I can go on and on. All in all, my gear gives +237 DEX, equivalent to an extra 237% damage.

As soon as I'd been kitted out with new gear, including a 46.2 DPS Socketed Adept Hunting Bow I crafted, I saw my DPS rise from 140 to 230 and, by the time I hit Belial, I was on about 280 due to new equipment drops and suddenly the game got easy again.

Onwards to Act3 and this is maybe easier than act2 for DH, also loot drop quality difference is huge. Act2 dropped pretty much nada, act3 I am getting decent loot LOT more.

Looking forward to this ^^ I think I only had one decent yellow drop this act, which was a 1-handed crossbow I used for maybe two levels, before replacing it with the crafted bow I mentioned above.

[blaad]

Dear diary.

Magda is a joke. Khulle is p easy. Belial is rape in the anus. And in the throat. And in the nose drills.

Yesterday after unsuccessfully trying to get to phase 3 solo (DH), I tried again later with my germanspeakingwomanman (monk) mate. We can get to middle of phase 2 consistently (best try ~30%), but then the snakeguys finally manage to zerg me, I derp on green wave-like thingie or we get unlucky with globes and my mate dies. Will wipe some more this weekend. Anus still sore.

I just killed Belial solo as a Level 25 Demon Hunter, with a Templar follower filled with healing abilities. I don't mean to get you down, but I didn't find it too tough, though I think I've been really rather lucky when crafting gear; I leveled up when I killed him, so these figures will be slightly higher than they were, but I've got 322 DEX, 119 VIT, 484 Armour and 303 DPS. I think my DPS when I was fighting was around 280.

During Phase 1, I used Hungering Arrow with Shatter Shot Rune. Simply stood in the corner and fired away. My damage output was high enough that 1-2 shots would kill each of the demon thingies. Considering each arrow splits into three after it hits its first enemy, I was effectively killing two per shot.

Phase 2 was pretty much the same; the Shatter Shot Rune was probably suboptimal for this phase (I didn't change it as I didn't know what I was going to be up against), but there is time to change it between the phases, probably to the armour piercing ones. A combination of Clatrops, Fan of Knives and then Vault helped me keep my distance, followed by a long stream of arrows from Multishot.

Phase 3 was tougher and I came close to death a few times; my Templar was pretty much essential to my survival. I alternated between Hungering Arrow and Multishot (depending on how much Hatred I had available) to deal damage, while using Vault to get out of the way of Belial's attacks. My Templar got right up and slashed away and seemed to avoid most of the damage that way, since Belial was focused on me. He healed me at least three times during the fight and I had to use a healing potion on myself, but I wouldn't have said it was too tough. I've had tougher times chasing Treasure Goblins than I did with Belial.

To be honest, the game was starting to get quite tough at around level 22-24; up until then, my gear selection had revolved around increasing my %age chance of finding magical items as much as possible. Then I was playing with a buddy and he commented that my DPS seemed rather low. This may have been because he's a Wizard and uses lots of attacks that damage continuously, while my attacks chip away at enemy health, but I took his comment as an warning that I'm doing something wrong so spent about 5 minutes at the blacksmith crafting new gear followed by another 5 minutes visiting merchants, this time focusing on dexterity. I get +41 from my Quiver, +45 from my necklace w/ gem, +30 from my trousers w/ gem, +20 from my rings combined and I can go on and on. All in all, my gear gives +237 DEX, equivalent to an extra 237% damage.

As soon as I'd been kitted out with new gear, including a 46.2 DPS Socketed Adept Hunting Bow I crafted, I saw my DPS rise from 140 to 230 and, by the time I hit Belial, I was on about 280 due to new equipment drops and suddenly the game got easy again.

inferno

[sahtila]

Its only inferno belial which is really really hard for DH. Reason being, all those spawning mobs oneshot glasscannon DH reliably. Single mistake going too close one while boss chases you and its game over. Phase 3 is easy, just run out/vault out of melee hits. When he does breath, go far right of area and breath wont even hit. When boss spawns poison pools, run carefully along outer edges, one step at a time each time there spawns pool under you and in unvoidable pool use SS.

Steps to kill it in inferno:
0) Go ah and buy all dps increasing gear you can get, especialy those cheap 16% IAS+damage rings. And chest + quiver with as much Discipline as you can find, its really good anyway for inferno. Also get your companion full set of max vitality gear so he does not die to 1st hit from mobs, helps bit
1) Get Vault-Tumble, preparation, SS and Elemental arrow -Nether Tentacles, last open ability spot i used traps but other stuff works too
2) When phase 2 starts, boss charges 3 times. Use Vault to get out (not SS, vault is much cheaper), after 3rd boss stops and sends 3 of those missles, stand away and nuke like hell and dodge missles.
3) Boss charges again 3 times, adds spawn, again vault+SS if needed, try to run other side of area and with luck boss and some adds are clustered so that you can nuke both same time with Elemental arrow when they follow you
4) Repeat, use SS liberally, hope luck with preparation so it procs 30% no cd chance (good luck with that)

[LarkinAlpha]

Pretty sure Blaad was talking about Belial on Hell. He's the single hardest fight all the way through Hell, if you ignore some champ pack combinations.

[Cool09]

Hehe, bleurgh, hes on inferno which is about 100000000000000000000000 times harder.

[Roam]

I'm not sure if Bleurgh is trolling or unintentionally funny, but either way it's endearing. (not mocking you, it was just amusing )

But yeah, Inferno Belia for a glass cannon I can imagine is hard, since those Melee Snakes awfully powerful compared to their other act 2 counter parts (high hp, damage and fast attack speed, which is impossible to manually dodge). I'm hoping more wizards and DH will start to go for survivable builds now with 1.03 on the way. (By the way, the AMA had some really interesting info about some of the undocumented changes for the patch, as well as a recent elaborate dev post made about the disparity between ranged and melee.)

Also, regarding the weapon for monks: Regardless of being Tanky or not, you'll need to be at about 10k+ for Inferno unbuffed. I'm full tank with no dps, but buffed I'm sitting at 25k damage, with a cheap socketed sword. The most important thing for a Monk are: Fast attack speed (1.4 is really the slowest you should go), socket (for life on hit gem) and if you can get it: innate life on hit or attack speed bonus. Good luck finding that without spending billions though, so be content with a cheap socketed 800+dps weapon.

[Idara]

If they're going to remove the extra damage from extra players why the fuck can't they just hotfix it in so you can play with friends.

[ScaryTrollScaringYou]

Just played through the guest pass in one sitting, took about 3ish hours, not sure if I want to buy. it ended when I killed the sceleton king. How much is that of the entire game? 5%? 10?

That's basically the tutorial.
My Barbarian is on act 1 of hell with about 45 hours played - so say 60 hours to get to inferno in total as a casual.
On one char.
say you play 4/5 chars, you are looking at upwards of 300 hours before "crazymode + farming" kicks in, and that's without hardcore.
So about 0.1%
(YMMV)

Mate, I'm not a hardcore Diablo-fanboi, playing with different characters have no real value for me, replaying on harder levels are doubtful.
So, I rephrase, how much of one play-through have I played?


Edit:

Vortex, well then, I'm level 10 now, surely I haven't played through 1/3 of the game?

If you want to buy an ARPG for one playthrough, your not going to get your moneys worth.

[depili]

Just played through the guest pass in one sitting, took about 3ish hours, not sure if I want to buy. it ended when I killed the sceleton king. How much is that of the entire game? 5%? 10?

That's basically the tutorial.
My Barbarian is on act 1 of hell with about 45 hours played - so say 60 hours to get to inferno in total as a casual.
On one char.
say you play 4/5 chars, you are looking at upwards of 300 hours before "crazymode + farming" kicks in, and that's without hardcore.
So about 0.1%
(YMMV)

Mate, I'm not a hardcore Diablo-fanboi, playing with different characters have no real value for me, replaying on harder levels are doubtful.
So, I rephrase, how much of one play-through have I played?


Edit:

Vortex, well then, I'm level 10 now, surely I haven't played through 1/3 of the game?

If your want to buy an ARPG for one playthrough, your not going to get your moneys worth.

Unless you buy bastion.

[Malaes]

Dear diary.

Magda is a joke. Khulle is p easy. Belial is rape in the anus. And in the throat. And in the nose drills.

Yesterday after unsuccessfully trying to get to phase 3 solo (DH), I tried again later with my germanspeakingwomanman (monk) mate. We can get to middle of phase 2 consistently (best try ~30%), but then the snakeguys finally manage to zerg me, I derp on green wave-like thingie or we get unlucky with globes and my mate dies. Will wipe some more this weekend. Anus still sore.

Its only inferno belial which is really really hard for DH. Reason being, all those spawning mobs oneshot glasscannon DH reliably. Single mistake going too close one while boss chases you and its game over. Phase 3 is easy, just run out/vault out of melee hits. When he does breath, go far right of area and breath wont even hit. When boss spawns poison pools, run carefully along outer edges, one step at a time each time there spawns pool under you and in unvoidable pool use SS.

Steps to kill it in inferno:
0) Go ah and buy all dps increasing gear you can get, especialy those cheap 16% IAS+damage rings. And chest + quiver with as much Discipline as you can find, its really good anyway for inferno. Also get your companion full set of max vitality gear so he does not die to 1st hit from mobs, helps bit
1) Get Vault-Tumble, preparation, SS and Elemental arrow -Nether Tentacles, last open ability spot i used traps but other stuff works too
2) When phase 2 starts, boss charges 3 times. Use Vault to get out (not SS, vault is much cheaper), after 3rd boss stops and sends 3 of those missles, stand away and nuke like hell and dodge missles.
3) Boss charges again 3 times, adds spawn, again vault+SS if needed, try to run other side of area and with luck boss and some adds are clustered so that you can nuke both same time with Elemental arrow when they follow you
4) Repeat, use SS liberally, hope luck with preparation so it procs 30% no cd chance (good luck with that)

Pretty much this ^.

Phase 1 if you can end up standing far north or south as the last set spawn. You can get one naga that doesnt agro you letting you regen disc doesn't work 100% of the time though

Phase 2 is more of a dps check than anything else if you can get him down to ~30% before the naga start spawning its easy. Think I had about 43k ish dps and it was pretty close, took me about an hour of trying

Phase 3 is easy just avoid shit and SS stuff you can't. Just watch out for the breath animation, if you stand again far north or south depending which way he goes it will miss you.

[Vortex]

I posted my inferno belial build a few pages back. Stage 3 is piss-easy as long as you have NT and enough discipline regeneration to spam smokescreen. Phase 1 can be bugged out as above by staying in the topright area of the screen. Phase 2 is the hardest, just dps that fucker down before you are overwhelmed with snakes. I believe I beat him at around 44k dps (pre-SS), but I could be mistaken.

[Rhaegor Stormborn]

I just killed Belial solo as a Level 25 Demon Hunter, with a Templar follower filled with healing abilities.

This is funny. At level 25 everything is simple. Wait until Hell, and then even moreso, Inferno.