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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Personally I disagree with the others - your position is too junior to get any traction making these kinds of changes, unless you have a senior boss 100% in your corner. I'd move somewhere else you can do more without treading on toes (preferably in a more senior position)
    I'm inclined to agree. You're also junior enough that if/when it goes to shit it's not your fault and you get to waltz off into the sunset to your next gig, fully equipped with a suite of How Not To Do It answers for your interview questions.

    If you do want to fix things pick something manageable and JFDI, proving how your way improves things. It's rarely a good idea to try and tell people they're wrong as a junior - better to show them a better way and come around themselves.

    Also what Cortess said. See if they're aware of the failings first.

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    Thanks guys I'll tread lightly then and just point out a few obvious things and ask why they're set up that way. See if that drops enough of a hint

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Personally I disagree with the others - your position is too junior to get any traction making these kinds of changes, unless you have a senior boss 100% in your corner. I'd move somewhere else you can do more without treading on toes (preferably in a more senior position)
    I'm inclined to agree. You're also junior enough that if/when it goes to shit it's not your fault and you get to waltz off into the sunset to your next gig, fully equipped with a suite of How Not To Do It answers for your interview questions.

    If you do want to fix things pick something manageable and JFDI, proving how your way improves things. It's rarely a good idea to try and tell people they're wrong as a junior - better to show them a better way and come around themselves.

    Also what Cortess said. See if they're aware of the failings first.
    This is correct. You just have to play politics. Politics in this case, is delivering a win win for everyone, even the people not doing a great job. You are too lowly on the totem pole to have much influence this way unless you are fucking your director or something.

    As elmicker said, If you implement something with that just scopes something you are responsible for, you can probably get permission to do that with a "its something I learned at a previous job". If it works, make sure you can prove it works.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    If it works, make sure you can prove it works.
    Management loves graphs and metrics, especially if they include time/money saved. Everyone else just likes an easier way to do their job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Personally I disagree with the others - your position is too junior to get any traction making these kinds of changes, unless you have a senior boss 100% in your corner. I'd move somewhere else you can do more without treading on toes (preferably in a more senior position)
    I'm inclined to agree. You're also junior enough that if/when it goes to shit it's not your fault and you get to waltz off into the sunset to your next gig, fully equipped with a suite of How Not To Do It answers for your interview questions.

    If you do want to fix things pick something manageable and JFDI, proving how your way improves things. It's rarely a good idea to try and tell people they're wrong as a junior - better to show them a better way and come around themselves.

    Also what Cortess said. See if they're aware of the failings first.
    This is correct. You just have to play politics.
    Imagine a world for a second where office politics wouldn't matter and the necessary things could just be done/implemented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    Personally I disagree with the others - your position is too junior to get any traction making these kinds of changes, unless you have a senior boss 100% in your corner. I'd move somewhere else you can do more without treading on toes (preferably in a more senior position)
    I'm inclined to agree. You're also junior enough that if/when it goes to shit it's not your fault and you get to waltz off into the sunset to your next gig, fully equipped with a suite of How Not To Do It answers for your interview questions.

    If you do want to fix things pick something manageable and JFDI, proving how your way improves things. It's rarely a good idea to try and tell people they're wrong as a junior - better to show them a better way and come around themselves.

    Also what Cortess said. See if they're aware of the failings first.
    This is correct. You just have to play politics.
    Imagine a world for a second where office politics wouldn't matter and the necessary things could just be done/implemented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    Personally I disagree with the others - your position is too junior to get any traction making these kinds of changes, unless you have a senior boss 100% in your corner. I'd move somewhere else you can do more without treading on toes (preferably in a more senior position)
    I'm inclined to agree. You're also junior enough that if/when it goes to shit it's not your fault and you get to waltz off into the sunset to your next gig, fully equipped with a suite of How Not To Do It answers for your interview questions.

    If you do want to fix things pick something manageable and JFDI, proving how your way improves things. It's rarely a good idea to try and tell people they're wrong as a junior - better to show them a better way and come around themselves.

    Also what Cortess said. See if they're aware of the failings first.
    This is correct. You just have to play politics.
    Imagine a world for a second where office politics wouldn't matter and the necessary things could just be done/implemented.
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    I agree with everyone else here, you need to fuck your boss.
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    tanks gang

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    Waiting for a callback for a part time job with a charity I interviewed with last Thursday.

    I never before realised how terrible I am with waiting for news.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Personally I disagree with the others - your position is too junior to get any traction making these kinds of changes, unless you have a senior boss 100% in your corner. I'd move somewhere else you can do more without treading on toes (preferably in a more senior position)
    I'm inclined to agree. You're also junior enough that if/when it goes to shit it's not your fault and you get to waltz off into the sunset to your next gig, fully equipped with a suite of How Not To Do It answers for your interview questions.

    If you do want to fix things pick something manageable and JFDI, proving how your way improves things. It's rarely a good idea to try and tell people they're wrong as a junior - better to show them a better way and come around themselves.

    Also what Cortess said. See if they're aware of the failings first.
    This is correct. You just have to play politics.
    Imagine a world for a second where office politics wouldn't matter and the necessary things could just be done/implemented.
    Office politics are an obligatory consequence of hierarchy in any meritocracy. Until omniscient AIs can decide job promotions, nothing else is possible.

    Objecting to office politics rather than learning to play yourself (you can win without being a dick to anyone) is pissing into the wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Waiting for a callback for a part time job with a charity I interviewed with last Thursday.

    I never before realised how terrible I am with waiting for news.
    God I hate that feeling. Especially trying to sleep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Waiting for a callback for a part time job with a charity I interviewed with last Thursday.

    I never before realised how terrible I am with waiting for news.
    God I hate that feeling. Especially trying to sleep
    I hate the vague "we'll contact you at the end of next week" the most. Makes focusing on anything else almost impossible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    And then you start panicking and wondering if you've deleted or spam foldered an email, missed a call or whatever. Should you phone them (no no no) etc.

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    Got a bullshit ' have you been in a car accident' call at lunch as well. Drove me up the fucking wall.

    I'm going to watch the cricket and hope it takes my mind off it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Got a bullshit ' have you been in a car accident' call at lunch as well. Drove me up the fucking wall.

    I'm going to watch the cricket and hope it takes my mind off it.
    The least distracting sport in existence - the perfect setting for internal monologue to take flight. DONT DO IT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Got a bullshit ' have you been in a car accident' call at lunch as well. Drove me up the fucking wall.

    I'm going to watch the cricket and hope it takes my mind off it.
    The least distracting sport in existence - the perfect setting for internal monologue to take flight. DONT DO IT!
    It lets me distract myself with stats and averages while tinkering with my fantasy team
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Personally I disagree with the others - your position is too junior to get any traction making these kinds of changes, unless you have a senior boss 100% in your corner. I'd move somewhere else you can do more without treading on toes (preferably in a more senior position)
    I'm inclined to agree. You're also junior enough that if/when it goes to shit it's not your fault and you get to waltz off into the sunset to your next gig, fully equipped with a suite of How Not To Do It answers for your interview questions.

    If you do want to fix things pick something manageable and JFDI, proving how your way improves things. It's rarely a good idea to try and tell people they're wrong as a junior - better to show them a better way and come around themselves.

    Also what Cortess said. See if they're aware of the failings first.
    This is correct. You just have to play politics.
    Imagine a world for a second where office politics wouldn't matter and the necessary things could just be done/implemented.
    Office politics are an obligatory consequence of hierarchy in any meritocracy. Until omniscient AIs can decide job promotions, nothing else is possible.

    Objecting to office politics rather than learning to play yourself (you can win without being a dick to anyone) is pissing into the wind.
    I decided to just not participate. I know my career is moving nowhere this way. vOv

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    I feel like most companies have shitty, pointless processes that just have too much inertia to try and change on your own.

    Back when I first entered the job market I expected all these big tech companies to be on the cutting edge with constantly improving business ideas and people. Instead it's held together with duct tape and blu tack, maintained by people who don't realise how ridiculous they are, and you wonder if you can bail before a proper 3rd party auditor comes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swiss View Post
    I feel like most companies have shitty, pointless processes that just have too much inertia to try and change on your own.
    Shitty pointless processes are armour plating when you know how to leverage them correctly.

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