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    Had an interview last week. Board results through today, passed the board but 'there were better candidates' so I'm on the reserve list. ~40 applicants, 16 interviewed, 2 got jobs (one was a shoe in), 4 on the reserve list (I think I'm near the top because I got a pretty decent score on my report 25/28, a pass would have been 21).

    Basically means that if a similar vacancy comes up in the next 12 months the hiring manager can pick me if they want without having to resort to interviews. There was a manager from another facility sat in there, not on the board officially, so between that and the fact that there are four on the reserve list I'm hoping for a tap on the shoulder soon (although I'm planning on tapping him sooner, or would that be a bad idea).
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    Went to speak with laddo last week, going for a look round later this week. But essentially if he gets approval to raise his headcount (he's got others in post who are retiring in the next 12-18 months and it takes about that long to get settled into the role properly) and my current spot will release me then I have a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post

    Went to speak with laddo last week, going for a look round later this week. But essentially if he gets approval to raise his headcount (he's got others in post who are retiring in the next 12-18 months and it takes about that long to get settled into the role properly) and my current spot will release me then I have a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    So I agreed to take on some side work for my former employer as they are understaffed, but only after making it very clear that I would only be able to do so in my free time and would not be committing to doing any sort of set amount of these jobs per week or anything like that. Literally words were "I don't know how much I can do for you at the moment, so I cannot commit to anything, but I will help you out where I can." Que constant calls and bothering me while I'm at my actual job, Constant calls & bothering me in the evenings, Constant calls & bothering me on the weekends. Hounding me via email with questions like "Where is X," or "We need you to Y # of job's this week"; Even having the audacity to ask me to come back to work for them. We'll maybe you should've taken better care of me while I was there and you wouldn't be having these problem.

    Quite tempted to tell them to just fuck off at this point; and if I have to shut off my phone again in a meeting because they are spamming redial I am going to have to.
    Just inform them via pro forma email that your hourly rate has increased and is now £X per hour with effect from [tomorrow]. Then start invoicing them at that higher rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    So I agreed to take on some side work for my former employer as they are understaffed, but only after making it very clear that I would only be able to do so in my free time and would not be committing to doing any sort of set amount of these jobs per week or anything like that. Literally words were "I don't know how much I can do for you at the moment, so I cannot commit to anything, but I will help you out where I can." Que constant calls and bothering me while I'm at my actual job, Constant calls & bothering me in the evenings, Constant calls & bothering me on the weekends. Hounding me via email with questions like "Where is X," or "We need you to Y # of job's this week"; Even having the audacity to ask me to come back to work for them. We'll maybe you should've taken better care of me while I was there and you wouldn't be having these problem.

    Quite tempted to tell them to just fuck off at this point; and if I have to shut off my phone again in a meeting because they are spamming redial I am going to have to.
    Just inform them via pro forma email that your hourly rate has increased and is now £X per hour with effect from [tomorrow]. Then start invoicing them at that higher rate.
    Where x is at least 50% more than the old rate, preferably 100% more. And a good chunk higher than your old hourly rate.

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    Yeah I'm thinking that might be the best way to handle it. Either they pay me enough to make it worth the headache or I get rid of the headache all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    Yeah I'm thinking that might be the best way to handle it. Either they pay me enough to make it worth the headache or I get rid of the headache all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteeleResolve View Post
    No sick leave policy (got taken a days wages off me without any warning or explanation)
    u fuckin wot m8

    so they've got the absolute legal minimums for pensions, holidays and sick pay, no progression, no flexibility and a toxic office?

    it's not in shirebrook is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    Yeah I'm thinking that might be the best way to handle it. Either they pay me enough to make it worth the headache or I get rid of the headache all together.

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    I may be a little biased right now, but my advice:

    Don't get stuck doing something you hate doing, or that is stressing you the fuck out. it isn't worth it unless you literally NEED the money to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    Yeah I'm thinking that might be the best way to handle it. Either they pay me enough to make it worth the headache or I get rid of the headache all together.

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    I may be a little biased right now, but my advice:

    Don't get stuck doing something you hate doing, or that is stressing you the fuck out. it isn't worth it unless you literally NEED the money to live.
    It's certainly not something I need to survive, I already have a cushy office job, this was just a side gig that I saw as a relatively easy way to make a little extra for myself to spend on goodies. It's also not something I hate, I actually enjoy the work itself, rather it's my former employers who are making things difficult for me by being a constant bother. I understand that they've got a business to run and clients to deliver to, yet they seem unable to grasp that this isn't the focus of my life and that I am doing this as a favor to them more than anything else.

    But at this point I consider it more or less settled, I have an email compose already to send in with my bill for services rendered outlining the situation and what I need from them to continue working with them. If they can satisfy my conditions great, if not I am fine with that too and any lurch it leaves them in is their problem, not mine

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    If you deal with dickheads, always add a Dickhead Surcharge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sponk View Post
    If you deal with dickheads, always add a Dickhead Surcharge.
    Imagined I could add this to my invoices, made me chuckle :3

    I think it should be a percentage rather than a fixed sum.


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    Annual review tomorrow, going to ask for a nice sized payrise and if needed haggle down a little. Also did a nice bit of maths on how much he I'd made the company purely through work I'd done on projects, I didn't add in money I'd made indirectly by allowing other people to work on other projects, I did work out how much I'd made us because of the successes of those projects and the extra work that had brought in and it was a pretty nice figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halbarad View Post
    Annual review tomorrow, going to ask for a nice sized payrise and if needed haggle down a little. Also did a nice bit of maths on how much he I'd made the company purely through work I'd done on projects, I didn't add in money I'd made indirectly by allowing other people to work on other projects, I did work out how much I'd made us because of the successes of those projects and the extra work that had brought in and it was a pretty nice figure.
    Best of luck buddy

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    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/31/547646...with-open-jobs
    In the United States, there's a record number of jobs open: around 6 million. That's just about one job opening for every officially unemployed person in the country.

    Matching the unemployed with the right job is difficult, but there are some things employers could do to improve the odds.

    Andrew Chamberlain, chief economist for the job site Glassdoor, says U.S. employers often complain that workers don't have the skills needed for the jobs available. That is true for some upper-level health care and technology jobs. "But for the most part, it doesn't look to be like there is a skills gap," Chamberlain says. "That's not the main reason why there are many job openings."

    Chamberlain says that with unemployment so low and the U.S. labor force growing slowly, there's no doubt it is harder for companies to find workers. But he says if that were the main problem, you would see wages rising more rapidly in the economy — and that's not the case in many industries.

    Part of the hiring problem, Chamberlain says, lies in company hiring policies.

    Peter Cappelli, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, agrees. He says one problem is that companies are posting openings with required qualifications that aren't really necessary for the job.

    "They're just asking for the moon, and not expecting to pay very much for it," Cappelli says. "And as a result they [can't] find those people. Now that [doesn't] mean there was nobody to do the job; it just [means] that there was nobody at the price they were willing to pay."

    Jason Lorenz has seen that in his work at Human Technology Inc., a corporate recruiter that provides workers for firms in the Carolinas, many of which are parts manufacturers for Ford, GM and BMW. Lorenz says the companies come to him with a long checklist of qualifications, and he challenges them to get realistic.
    This is the core of the issue: companies thinking they deserve exceptional talent, but are unwilling to compensate accordingly.

    I don't want to hear any moaning about "economic uncertainty" from companies, because it's complete noise. When was the last time we had economic certainty, what would it look like if it were to happen again, and would you really want to do business in a "certain" economic environment?
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    Better yet, public sector pay is way below industry standards for the same qualifications.

    We need structural engineers for building permits. The departments can't find qualified people because end of career pay is below entry level with an architectural firm.

    To be a maths teacher you need a masters degree in math. End of career pay in Berlin is €64k (roughly, it's also paid from day one.) Most firms hiring mathematicians pay more after a few years.

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    Unfortunately "let's raise taxes so that we can increase public sector salaries" is a tough sell to the voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steph View Post
    Unfortunately "let's raise taxes so that we can increase public sector salaries" is a tough sell to the voters.
    It gets easier when you tell people that it is the fix needed to cut down the time one waits for a building permit from beyond six months to three, if it is the fix to the call for more teachers and better pay.

    People here are willing to pay for stuff. Right now there doesn't seem to be much of an understanding for the need to not make new debts when for years we saved ourselves into a mess. For years we had a federal budget that was applauded by our ministers for being even or running a plus. (At a federal level, states emulated that, states pay for education.)

    You may not believe it but hardly anyone here likes austerity.

    Just this past month a TV show pointed out that even one of the states with the best test scores isn't able to hire enough teachers to even barely have enough to cover the basics.
    For years they didn't hire anyone, had annual fixed term contracts if they hired anyone at all, ignored that we have rising birth rates even among the Germans and aging teachers with a large number going into retirement by around 2017.

    The first time I was made aware of that was in 2005 just when I started uni by my cousin and her husband, both at the time in the department of education of the above mentioned state.

    Education is an example that I have a lot of knowledge about, not just my own but also from long term insiders at the right positions.

    From the media and friends in other fields its the same everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steph View Post
    Unfortunately "let's raise taxes so that we can increase public sector salaries" is a tough sell to the voters.
    Actually let me clarify one thing: our federal budget was running at a surplus for the last few years and they are talking about cutting taxes.

    It's election season as well, but next to cutting taxes education actually seems to be the big topic this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Better yet, public sector pay is way below industry standards for the same qualifications.

    We need structural engineers for building permits. The departments can't find qualified people because end of career pay is below entry level with an architectural firm.

    To be a maths teacher you need a masters degree in math. End of career pay in Berlin is €64k (roughly, it's also paid from day one.) Most firms hiring mathematicians pay more after a few years.

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    How do pensions/leave/sick pay compare between public and private sector in Germany?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
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    Better yet, public sector pay is way below industry standards for the same qualifications.

    We need structural engineers for building permits. The departments can't find qualified people because end of career pay is below entry level with an architectural firm.

    To be a maths teacher you need a masters degree in math. End of career pay in Berlin is €64k (roughly, it's also paid from day one.) Most firms hiring mathematicians pay more after a few years.

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    How do pensions/leave/sick pay compare between public and private sector in Germany?
    Unless you are a Beamter, they run on the same legal basis, so they are the same. Most people have public health insurance, you can only go private if you make more than €4500/month. You may have corporate pension insurance through your employer, but that also exists for government employees. Sick pay comes from the public healthcare insurance if you are sick for more than six weeks, until then it's paid by the employer anyway. Leave is legally set at at least 24 days. Union deals can increase that, public sector is usually 26 days. Bank holidays are obviously extra, the concept of sick days does not exist (you only need to bring a doctor's note for absences of three days or more). Each employer pays the same amount to the public health insurance and pension insurance as their employees do.

    As a Beamter the pension is 75% of your last paycheck, leave is similar to employees (so 26 days or more) and you can either pick public health insurance or private health insurance, though you get between 50-80% of all medical cost directly from the government, the rest is covered by insurance. You are not paying into the national pension insurance (9.3%) nor the public health insurance (7.3%) which otherwise would come directly from the pacheck.

    Bolded bit: unions obviously also negotiate for government employees.

    I invite all Germans here to correct any inaccuracies as I couldn't really be bothered to look most stuff up.

    Also wiki probably could have answered you that as well.
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