The Mittani's apology

[Frug]

I didnt realise that goons did this with your RL identity.

For the last few years, I never really understood the Goon cock sucking that went around eve. Nor why :meta gaming: is awesome whilst exploiting is as evil as fuck. It starting appearing to seem like a combination of wool over eyes and ignorance.

I never realized they did that either. My e-hat goes off to Jade for actually being a pretty tough bastard. As for the goon 'cock sucking' it's because most people's complaints about goons are pathetic. Something Awful is not a terrible place, the people are not hitlers, but it is a harsh place and I still think the goons are much the same. They should have policed their own better, though.
You know where else the fat jokes about the BoB girl happened? On SHC more than once. I think a picture was even posted. Nobody got in any real trouble for it on SHC, did they? Some of us cringed, some of us laughed, and some of us were angry but in the end shit all happened.

edit: that the wiki article is still up is really bad though. I don't think I'll ever defend them again.

[Bartholomeus Crane]

  Spoiler:

Here's the thing Bacc. I don't really give much of a fuck about Mittani's player. Whats important to me here is that Eve Online collectively wakes up and realizes that the culture of out of game bullying to metagame a "victory" is corrosive and leads down a dark path. You know me, I'm quite happy to authorize an enemy corp in game is camped into a station for weeks, that their every last mission runner is hunted down and assassinated and then make an RP post on galnet about the cowardice of the leader who refuses to undock while his or her troops are dying pointlessly. In some games that would be considered griefing - in this one it is part of the game. It is also precisely in-game and in-character.

But there are limits and you and I both know what they are. When Goonswarm decided to grief the BOB leader "lady scarlet" from the game they infilitrated the BOB forums (not a hard task) and took rl pictures of the player then mocked her mercilessly for months for being overweight. On forums, in local, with mocking avatars, with photoshopped pictures of her face on Jabba the Hutt for heavens sake. That was OOC bullying designed to metagame a "win" against an eve organization and frankly if that woman had been slightly unhinged I could see her shooting somebody in the face for real.

The point is keep the bloody ingame pressure ingame and it remains healthy. Move it out of game and it becomes an arms race of fuckery that will eventually get somebody killed or thrown in prison.

When I was on the CSM the goons sent a letter to the people I was working for alleging I was working as an internet prostitute along with links of a website where they'd copied the old la maison content next to text list of sexual services I was offering for real money on the internet. This came from a wonderful anonymous hotmail completely untraceable - next day several prominent goons put the same links into a forum thread titled "do we want this kind of person on the CSM." On the goon wiki there is a real life picture of me with the description "put's date rape drugs in the soft drinks of local school children."

Now, if these guys lived in the UK and I could prove a link to their ISP we'd have been in court by now. But huzzah, they are in the US and international law suits don't work too well. So its just another example of internet harrassment and ooc bullying in eve online.

But this is what happens if CCP does not take a stern line on this shit.

Now on the Mittani ... having slept on this for a few days I'm now convinced that what should have happened there is he was simply disbarred from the CSM and banned from ever running again without the in-game ban. CCP should have said "you brought the game into disrepute despite being warned not to (allegedly by other members of the CSM)". They are within their rights to prevent any player from running and potentially representing the company to the wider world - they should have done this.

Instead doing it on the eula/tos and 30 day ban leading to temp removal from the CSM was a messy solution that allows all sorts of people to claim legal loopholes and will make the whole business flair up again next year.

If CCP had simply done the "CSM chair removed for bringing the game into disrepute" then that becomes the headline rather than "Alexander Gianturco is a cyberbully" and he'd probably be much happier with it too. And its got the additional benefit of being precisely true to what happens. The CSM chair as a duty to represent the game in a good light. Mittani betrayed that duty and I don't think anyone would seriously argue otherwise.

Now. In the case of idiots that post people's addresses and order the "rape vans". Game ban. Its that simple. Same for people that post people's real life pictures next to allegations they are child-rapists. I hope we can agree on that Bacchanalian.

And that being the case - what is there really to argue about?

I didnt realise that goons did this with your RL identity. I thought it was limited to "Jade" which I have no problem with. If they are also fucking with you in RL, well, Mittens as their overall leader is definitely partially responsible for that and its unforgivable.

If what you are saying is truly as bad as you say it is, fuck, that should be enough for a game permaban for the admins of the wiki - have you contacted CCP?

First: +rep to Jade.

Second: and this is exactly the thing I was alluding to. This sort of OOG sleaze is hallmark behaviour for the Goons, and it is hallmark behaviour for Mittens as well. This is what he does. And has been doing for years, whether he was their leader or their spymaster. And no offence to Jade but he and his merry band of RP anarchists are relatively small fry in Mittens' OOG sleaze campaign. Loathsome as it is, the example of what Mittens and the Goons did to 'lady scarlet' is just the top of the iceberg of what they did during the Great Southern War and to members of BoB at large.

So don't come to me with: he just got drunk one time and said something he shouldn't have said, he's really a nice guy. That's not what happened: he got drunk on stage and showed everyone what kind of person Mittens, the Mittani, and Alex Gianturco really is like. Only this time this cyber-bully, or cyber-harasser doesn't have anonymity to hide behind. So for once he has to face the consequences for actions he orchestrated many times before. Hell, in order to get even he orchestrated another cyber-bully campaign right afterwards against Massively! Excuse me if I'm not shedding any tears on his behalf.

As for how CCP should have dealt with this I agree with Jade, even though I think the in-game ban is justified given the circumstances. The EULA/TOS thing is a murky way to go for CCP at best. And outright stating that he can just run for the CSM next year will just mean that this whole issue will be raked up again next year. Forget about hats and all that, that's just a lame excuse from a by now arch apologist for Mittens. The real point is that Mittens has showed himself patently incapable of (potentially) representing the company or the game to the wider world. Why CCP would want to open themselves up to this discussion again next year is quite beyond me. Let's not forget that this argument won't just be played out on eve-o (or FHC for that matter). I can see the headlines in the games media already: "Formerly banned cyber-bully re-elected as member (chair?) of the player council for EVE". Never mind Lark, how good do you think that would look for CCP or EVE?

[Pattern]

I didnt realise that goons did this with your RL identity.

For the last few years, I never really understood the Goon cock sucking that went around eve. Nor why :meta gaming: is awesome whilst exploiting is as evil as fuck. It starting appearing to seem like a combination of wool over eyes and ignorance.

What the fuck are you smoking and where can I get some

What? You think Jades case is unique? No other group of players has been responsible for so much out of game abuse. Why is this acceptable? Because EVE's a cold harsh universe so HTFU? Isn't eve a game? Is any game worth that shit?

As far as Mittens is concerned, I genuinely believe he was an effective, hardworking chair. However Goons in particular have fostered a culture, more than anyone else, where this type of behaviour is completely acceptable.

[Kleus]

Not empty quotin'

[Jade Constantine]

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Addresses?

[damaslaus]

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Does this look legit and should i be writing to the:

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n5ytsrq8208j3vqbnsbg@f.o-w-o.info

Addresses?

Im not entirely sure, but id probably say no. And fuck goons.

[XenosisReaper]

STOP CYBER BULLYING THE GOONS GUYS

[Bartholomeus Crane]

I didnt realise that goons did this with your RL identity.

For the last few years, I never really understood the Goon cock sucking that went around eve. Nor why :meta gaming: is awesome whilst exploiting is as evil as fuck. It starting appearing to seem like a combination of wool over eyes and ignorance.

What the fuck are you smoking and where can I get some

What? You think Jades case is unique? No other group of players has been responsible for so much out of game abuse. Why is this acceptable? Because EVE's a cold harsh universe so HTFU? Isn't eve a game? Is any game worth that shit?

As far as Mittens is concerned, I genuinely believe he was an effective, hardworking chair. However Goons in particular have fostered a culture, more than anyone else, where this type of behaviour is completely acceptable.

Going back to the original question about the Goon cock sucking. It depends on who's asking the question I think.

Personally I think most of the things the Goons do in game a rather funny actually. A Jihad on Ice Miners in secure space, the now planned effort to take out Jita. All these things are fine in game and live up the idea of EVE as a dark universe. Ofcourse it is being a dick because you can, but then I thought the raining dildo thing in whatever-it-was-again funny too. Same for the scams of gullible people in EVE really. Add to that that for all their dickishness, the Goons also have this 'inclusion' thing for new players (every player on every level has its role to play) which I think is good. But it is ofcourse offset by all the OOG sleaze that not coincidentally Mittens brags so much about doing (and claims credit for!). That is where I draw the line. But I understand that a lot of players aren't aware of all that they're doing, so I can see why they see the Goons in a different light.

As for the cock sucking by CCP. I think you have a point, but you only have to look back at the role the Goons, and Mittens in particular, played in the t20 scandal, to see why CCP is someone circumspect at how they deal with the Goons. In addition CCP has now quite a number of ex-Goons on the payroll, while they represent a large portion of the active players (and subscribers) in 0.0. So CCP might want to take special care not to fuck them off. Whether that amounts to CCP sucking Goon cock is a matter of interpretation though. I remember the same accusations being levelled (not least, in fact especially by the Goons) at BoB back in the day.

As for :meta gaming: being awesome. I think it stinks in all its facets, but it always was there at some level or another. The Goons just use it far more than others, and in a far more vicious way. But I sympathise with CCP a bit. There is not a lot they can do about it, and it is debatable if it is even their responsibility if seen in a narrow sense. They can't just start banning players all over the place, they'll need to have some proof of who did it, and that is rather difficult not least because of the anonymity. And as long as there is this HTFU feeling in EVE (pushed hard by the Goons ofcourse), also when it comes to this, there won't be many players coming forward with complaints either.

Which is why I said earlier that it would be a good idea for CCP to at least put some guys in a room to think about what CCP can do about this. Because the cat is basically out of the bag now, and although EVE as such already had a poor reputation when it came to this, right now all this hubbub reflects rather poorly EVE, CCP's brandname in general, and future titles they may bring out. They have to do something, even if it is only making it easier for players to report OOG harassment.

In general I think most, apart from Mittens obviously, would wish this sort of OOG 'meta gaming' to not be part of EVE. But that's not going to happen without CCP doing something about it. But as long as they don't want to upset the Goons ...

[Lallante]

I didnt realise that goons did this with your RL identity.

For the last few years, I never really understood the Goon cock sucking that went around eve. Nor why :meta gaming: is awesome whilst exploiting is as evil as fuck. It starting to seem like a combination of wool over eyes and ignorance.

Yes, I am well known for sucking goon cock.


Oh wait.... lrn2evehistory you dick.

[Lallante]

  Spoiler:

Here's the thing Bacc. I don't really give much of a fuck about Mittani's player. Whats important to me here is that Eve Online collectively wakes up and realizes that the culture of out of game bullying to metagame a "victory" is corrosive and leads down a dark path. You know me, I'm quite happy to authorize an enemy corp in game is camped into a station for weeks, that their every last mission runner is hunted down and assassinated and then make an RP post on galnet about the cowardice of the leader who refuses to undock while his or her troops are dying pointlessly. In some games that would be considered griefing - in this one it is part of the game. It is also precisely in-game and in-character.

But there are limits and you and I both know what they are. When Goonswarm decided to grief the BOB leader "lady scarlet" from the game they infilitrated the BOB forums (not a hard task) and took rl pictures of the player then mocked her mercilessly for months for being overweight. On forums, in local, with mocking avatars, with photoshopped pictures of her face on Jabba the Hutt for heavens sake. That was OOC bullying designed to metagame a "win" against an eve organization and frankly if that woman had been slightly unhinged I could see her shooting somebody in the face for real.

The point is keep the bloody ingame pressure ingame and it remains healthy. Move it out of game and it becomes an arms race of fuckery that will eventually get somebody killed or thrown in prison.

When I was on the CSM the goons sent a letter to the people I was working for alleging I was working as an internet prostitute along with links of a website where they'd copied the old la maison content next to text list of sexual services I was offering for real money on the internet. This came from a wonderful anonymous hotmail completely untraceable - next day several prominent goons put the same links into a forum thread titled "do we want this kind of person on the CSM." On the goon wiki there is a real life picture of me with the description "put's date rape drugs in the soft drinks of local school children."

Now, if these guys lived in the UK and I could prove a link to their ISP we'd have been in court by now. But huzzah, they are in the US and international law suits don't work too well. So its just another example of internet harrassment and ooc bullying in eve online.

But this is what happens if CCP does not take a stern line on this shit.

Now on the Mittani ... having slept on this for a few days I'm now convinced that what should have happened there is he was simply disbarred from the CSM and banned from ever running again without the in-game ban. CCP should have said "you brought the game into disrepute despite being warned not to (allegedly by other members of the CSM)". They are within their rights to prevent any player from running and potentially representing the company to the wider world - they should have done this.

Instead doing it on the eula/tos and 30 day ban leading to temp removal from the CSM was a messy solution that allows all sorts of people to claim legal loopholes and will make the whole business flair up again next year.

If CCP had simply done the "CSM chair removed for bringing the game into disrepute" then that becomes the headline rather than "Alexander Gianturco is a cyberbully" and he'd probably be much happier with it too. And its got the additional benefit of being precisely true to what happens. The CSM chair as a duty to represent the game in a good light. Mittani betrayed that duty and I don't think anyone would seriously argue otherwise.

Now. In the case of idiots that post people's addresses and order the "rape vans". Game ban. Its that simple. Same for people that post people's real life pictures next to allegations they are child-rapists. I hope we can agree on that Bacchanalian.

And that being the case - what is there really to argue about?

I didnt realise that goons did this with your RL identity. I thought it was limited to "Jade" which I have no problem with. If they are also fucking with you in RL, well, Mittens as their overall leader is definitely partially responsible for that and its unforgivable.

If what you are saying is truly as bad as you say it is, fuck, that should be enough for a game permaban for the admins of the wiki - have you contacted CCP?

First: +rep to Jade.

Second: and this is exactly the thing I was alluding to. This sort of OOG sleaze is hallmark behaviour for the Goons, and it is hallmark behaviour for Mittens as well. This is what he does. And has been doing for years, whether he was their leader or their spymaster. And no offence to Jade but he and his merry band of RP anarchists are relatively small fry in Mittens' OOG sleaze campaign. Loathsome as it is, the example of what Mittens and the Goons did to 'lady scarlet' is just the top of the iceberg of what they did during the Great Southern War and to members of BoB at large.

So don't come to me with: he just got drunk one time and said something he shouldn't have said, he's really a nice guy. That's not what happened: he got drunk on stage and showed everyone what kind of person Mittens, the Mittani, and Alex Gianturco really is like. Only this time this cyber-bully, or cyber-harasser doesn't have anonymity to hide behind. So for once he has to face the consequences for actions he orchestrated many times before. Hell, in order to get even he orchestrated another cyber-bully campaign right afterwards against Massively! Excuse me if I'm not shedding any tears on his behalf.

As for how CCP should have dealt with this I agree with Jade, even though I think the in-game ban is justified given the circumstances. The EULA/TOS thing is a murky way to go for CCP at best. And outright stating that he can just run for the CSM next year will just mean that this whole issue will be raked up again next year. Forget about hats and all that, that's just a lame excuse from a by now arch apologist for Mittens. The real point is that Mittens has showed himself patently incapable of (potentially) representing the company or the game to the wider world. Why CCP would want to open themselves up to this discussion again next year is quite beyond me. Let's not forget that this argument won't just be played out on eve-o (or FHC for that matter). I can see the headlines in the games media already: "Formerly banned cyber-bully re-elected as member (chair?) of the player council for EVE". Never mind Lark, how good do you think that would look for CCP or EVE?

This is wrong for so many reasons. You can criticse Mittani for not stanmping down on this kind of behaviour but thats a LONG LONG shot from him actually doing it on a regular basis himself.

Also lol at the idea I might be biaised towards goons and/or mittani. Do you know ANYTHING about my history in Eve? Next you'll be saying I white knight Kugutsumen or XirtamVOTF.


You are against metagaming? Fuck off then - the metagame is what makes Eve better than other games.

[Pattern]

I didnt realise that goons did this with your RL identity.

For the last few years, I never really understood the Goon cock sucking that went around eve. Nor why :meta gaming: is awesome whilst exploiting is as evil as fuck. It starting to seem like a combination of wool over eyes and ignorance.

Yes, I am well known for sucking goon cock.


Oh wait.... lrn2evehistory you dick.

Apologies, that was an eve community in general thing not you specifically. That said, why the hell didn't you know any better?

[Rakshasa The Cat]

This thread suddenly turned rather lame. Seriously, get a grip.

[Bartholomeus Crane]

  Spoiler:

Here's the thing Bacc. I don't really give much of a fuck about Mittani's player. Whats important to me here is that Eve Online collectively wakes up and realizes that the culture of out of game bullying to metagame a "victory" is corrosive and leads down a dark path. You know me, I'm quite happy to authorize an enemy corp in game is camped into a station for weeks, that their every last mission runner is hunted down and assassinated and then make an RP post on galnet about the cowardice of the leader who refuses to undock while his or her troops are dying pointlessly. In some games that would be considered griefing - in this one it is part of the game. It is also precisely in-game and in-character.

But there are limits and you and I both know what they are. When Goonswarm decided to grief the BOB leader "lady scarlet" from the game they infilitrated the BOB forums (not a hard task) and took rl pictures of the player then mocked her mercilessly for months for being overweight. On forums, in local, with mocking avatars, with photoshopped pictures of her face on Jabba the Hutt for heavens sake. That was OOC bullying designed to metagame a "win" against an eve organization and frankly if that woman had been slightly unhinged I could see her shooting somebody in the face for real.

The point is keep the bloody ingame pressure ingame and it remains healthy. Move it out of game and it becomes an arms race of fuckery that will eventually get somebody killed or thrown in prison.

When I was on the CSM the goons sent a letter to the people I was working for alleging I was working as an internet prostitute along with links of a website where they'd copied the old la maison content next to text list of sexual services I was offering for real money on the internet. This came from a wonderful anonymous hotmail completely untraceable - next day several prominent goons put the same links into a forum thread titled "do we want this kind of person on the CSM." On the goon wiki there is a real life picture of me with the description "put's date rape drugs in the soft drinks of local school children."

Now, if these guys lived in the UK and I could prove a link to their ISP we'd have been in court by now. But huzzah, they are in the US and international law suits don't work too well. So its just another example of internet harrassment and ooc bullying in eve online.

But this is what happens if CCP does not take a stern line on this shit.

Now on the Mittani ... having slept on this for a few days I'm now convinced that what should have happened there is he was simply disbarred from the CSM and banned from ever running again without the in-game ban. CCP should have said "you brought the game into disrepute despite being warned not to (allegedly by other members of the CSM)". They are within their rights to prevent any player from running and potentially representing the company to the wider world - they should have done this.

Instead doing it on the eula/tos and 30 day ban leading to temp removal from the CSM was a messy solution that allows all sorts of people to claim legal loopholes and will make the whole business flair up again next year.

If CCP had simply done the "CSM chair removed for bringing the game into disrepute" then that becomes the headline rather than "Alexander Gianturco is a cyberbully" and he'd probably be much happier with it too. And its got the additional benefit of being precisely true to what happens. The CSM chair as a duty to represent the game in a good light. Mittani betrayed that duty and I don't think anyone would seriously argue otherwise.

Now. In the case of idiots that post people's addresses and order the "rape vans". Game ban. Its that simple. Same for people that post people's real life pictures next to allegations they are child-rapists. I hope we can agree on that Bacchanalian.

And that being the case - what is there really to argue about?

I didnt realise that goons did this with your RL identity. I thought it was limited to "Jade" which I have no problem with. If they are also fucking with you in RL, well, Mittens as their overall leader is definitely partially responsible for that and its unforgivable.

If what you are saying is truly as bad as you say it is, fuck, that should be enough for a game permaban for the admins of the wiki - have you contacted CCP?

First: +rep to Jade.

Second: and this is exactly the thing I was alluding to. This sort of OOG sleaze is hallmark behaviour for the Goons, and it is hallmark behaviour for Mittens as well. This is what he does. And has been doing for years, whether he was their leader or their spymaster. And no offence to Jade but he and his merry band of RP anarchists are relatively small fry in Mittens' OOG sleaze campaign. Loathsome as it is, the example of what Mittens and the Goons did to 'lady scarlet' is just the top of the iceberg of what they did during the Great Southern War and to members of BoB at large.

So don't come to me with: he just got drunk one time and said something he shouldn't have said, he's really a nice guy. That's not what happened: he got drunk on stage and showed everyone what kind of person Mittens, the Mittani, and Alex Gianturco really is like. Only this time this cyber-bully, or cyber-harasser doesn't have anonymity to hide behind. So for once he has to face the consequences for actions he orchestrated many times before. Hell, in order to get even he orchestrated another cyber-bully campaign right afterwards against Massively! Excuse me if I'm not shedding any tears on his behalf.

As for how CCP should have dealt with this I agree with Jade, even though I think the in-game ban is justified given the circumstances. The EULA/TOS thing is a murky way to go for CCP at best. And outright stating that he can just run for the CSM next year will just mean that this whole issue will be raked up again next year. Forget about hats and all that, that's just a lame excuse from a by now arch apologist for Mittens. The real point is that Mittens has showed himself patently incapable of (potentially) representing the company or the game to the wider world. Why CCP would want to open themselves up to this discussion again next year is quite beyond me. Let's not forget that this argument won't just be played out on eve-o (or FHC for that matter). I can see the headlines in the games media already: "Formerly banned cyber-bully re-elected as member (chair?) of the player council for EVE". Never mind Lark, how good do you think that would look for CCP or EVE?

This is wrong for so many reasons. You can criticse Mittani for not stanmping down on this kind of behaviour but thats a LONG LONG shot from him actually doing it on a regular basis himself.

Also lol at the idea I might be biaised towards goons and/or mittani. Do you know ANYTHING about my history in Eve? Next you'll be saying I white knight Kugutsumen or XirtamVOTF.


You are against metagaming? Fuck off then - the metagame is what makes Eve better than other games.

For one, I wasn't talking about you, and neither did I think Pattern was. This isn't all about you, you know.

For two, not only has Mittens never, even once stamped down or disowned on this sort of thing, he is on record many times of inciting this sort of thing and bragged about orchestrating this very same behaviour. Afterward he then claims credit for all of it. Mittens the evil spymaster. There is some point in saying that Mittens nor anyone else can completely control every stupid thing every member of a big alliance does. But it is another if you never, even once, speak out against this sort of thing happing in the alliance that you supposedly lead, let alone doing something about it, and then go on not just bragging about it everywhere but claiming credit for yourself and your fellow travellers as well. And that is what Mittens has done. For years.

And here you are saying that this is all fine, and that this is what makes EVE great. I think you're a moron, and just saying this to troll some more ... so whatever ...

[Bartholomeus Crane]

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eveinfo.net, office #3421604
c/o OwO, BP80157
59053, Roubaix Cedex 1
FR
+33.899701761
n5ytsrq8208j3vqbnsbg@f.o-w-o.info

Administrative Contact:
Shan Yan
eveinfo.net, office #3421604
c/o OwO, BP80157
59053, Roubaix Cedex 1
FR
+33.899701761
64b53dl2zr2rk0nwanhn@l.o-w-o.info

Technical Contact:
Shan Yan
eveinfo.net, office #3421604
c/o OwO, BP80157
59053, Roubaix Cedex 1
FR
+33.899701761
64b53dl2zr2rk0nwanhn@l.o-w-o.info

Billing Contact:
Shan Yan
eveinfo.net, office #3421604
c/o OwO, BP80157
59053, Roubaix Cedex 1
FR
+33.899701761
64b53dl2zr2rk0nwanhn@l.o-w-o.info

Registrar of Record: OVH.
Record last updated on 2012-03-01.
Record expires on 2013-02-10.
Record created on 2010-12-27.


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Does this look legit and should i be writing to the:

64b53dl2zr2rk0nwanhn@l.o-w-o.info
n5ytsrq8208j3vqbnsbg@f.o-w-o.info

Addresses?

Probably no point in writing to the email-addresses. They'll be straight to dev/null. On the other hand, if you think you have a case, you could contact the Gendarme in Roubaix, France. Shan Yan could be in more trouble than you think ...

[Sparq]

You are against metagaming? Fuck off then - the metagame is what makes Eve better than other games.

There is meta-gaming (which has long had a place in EVE, like it or not) and then there is sleeze. In this particular instance Mittens crossed over into sleeze in a very public way.

[Lallante]

I think you're a moron,

I assume you mean this strictly ingame, because you would never stoop to insulting someone IRL right? right??

[Lallante]

You are against metagaming? Fuck off then - the metagame is what makes Eve better than other games.

There is meta-gaming (which has long had a place in EVE, like it or not) and then there is sleeze. In this particular instance Mittens crossed over into sleeze in a very public way.

This isn't metagaming in ANY sense and has nothing to do with it - Mittani wasnt attempting to obtain an ingame advantage he was just mocking someone for his own and his simpering harem of mouthbreathers' amusement . Don't try and conflate two completely different concepts.

[Lallante]

Probably no point in writing to the email-addresses. They'll be straight to dev/null. On the other hand, if you think you have a case, you could contact the Gendarme in Roubaix, France. Shan Yan could be in more trouble than you think ...

Are you for fucking real? Not going to even get into how dumb an idea this is, I'll simply point out that if you do this you are WORSE than the people you/Jade are complaining about. You think he should fight fire with 1000 tonnes napalm and yet claim the moral highground merely because they started it?

Jesus, this is even worse than your hilarious doublethink on politics.

[Alistair]

This thread suddenly turned rather lame. Seriously, get a grip.

Suddenly?

Another day, another 5 pages on Mittani.

[Frug]

STOP CYBER BULLYING THE GOONS GUYS

STOP USING THAT WORD ITS AS BAD AS PEDOPHILE