[PVP] Worm

[Rudolf Miller]

I'm making this thread in part because I think some of the faction pirate ships (like the Guristas) have been left too far behind the rest of the pack to be viable in todays 450 DPS daredevils and ultra kickpuncher AF's.


[Worm, kite]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Coreli C-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Rocket Launcher II, Trauma Javelin Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Trauma Javelin Rocket
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Ancillary Current Router I


Hobgoblin II x5

That's the best I could come up with when playing with the idea of a worm pvp frig. The idea of kiting really doesn't work too well because it's top speed isn't amazing and the sig bloom from being a shield tanker makes it hard to dodge fire from larger guns.

126 DPS, most of it from destructible drones which if you're kiting, good luck getting them back in time when they're under fire. Javelin rockets do a good job of maximizing your effective range, but provide terrible DPS because rockets are only range boosted, not damage boosted.

7.5k EHP, which is the base for many assault frigs now. I believe the hawk has better numbers with fewer fitting restraints (and superior DPS to boot)

My point is, since the pirate reallignment and the AF boost, the worm is left to the world of uselessness. Being a fan of gusistas, that makes me sad

[Shiodome]

10mn AB

[W0lf Crendraven]

[Worm, kiting]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Coreli C-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 150

Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket
[empty high slot]

Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5


Was my idea for a kiting worm, dps is lousy though, had to shoot a (avtive) thorax for about 10minutes to get it to pop.

[Ranshe]

[Worm, brawl]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Medium Shield Extender II
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Rocket Launcher II, Trauma Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Trauma Rage Rocket
Small Nosferatu II

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defence Field Extender I
Small Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5

I used this with some success, because for kiting there are much better ships than the worm.

Has almost 10k ehp and does pretty crap 149 dps overheated with hobgoblins, which is terrible compared to the daredevil or the AFs, but still a bit better than the normal t1 frigs.

No BCS because the dps from the rockets is so awful anyway and the nos in the high slot is more useful than 10 dps more.

I just wish this ship would get *some* damage bonus of any kind.

[prometheus]

Ship grossly needs to be rebalanced in favour of a huge drone damage bonus, or simply giving it 50m3 bandwidth

[Andrea Griffin]

You can put two webs on it.

[Worm, Dual Web]
Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner

Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket
[empty high slot]
Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5

But it still sucks ass. I guess you could kill rifters with it or something. Shrug. If you really want dual webs get a Hookbill, it does the job better even if it is squishier.

That said, I've been wanting to try this in a small frigate gang just for the giggles. If you forget about the whole two rocfket launchers, use a rig, and a T2 MAPC, you can fit a full rack of small neuts. Kind of a comedy fit but it's probably not expected.

[Worm, Neuty Neuty]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Hornet EC-300 x5

Use damage drones instead and it might be a nasty surprise for a laser boat, though. Stagger all three neuts as long as the cap boosters hold out. You could probably drop the extender rig for another ACR and get a MWD on there somehow, or use those fucking expensive 'Caltrop' COSMOS neuts. But yeah, it's terrible. Ha ha. : >

[Mahdi]

This is the only way I could find it to kinda not suck but still suck a little:

Yes, it's DPS is horrendous but it still has a nasty tank. The idea is:

- No point using rockets, you get no bonus to them and the extra DPS is lost without a web anyway and you just end up being a fail brawler either way.
- You might not be fast to kite everything but you can atleast kite AB brawlers, some AFs and dessies. And theres really no reason for you to brawl, look at point 1 about rockets.
- Hope anything faster than you has worse tank/dps ratio.

It's not great but it's the best I could think of.

  Spoiler:

[Worm, PvP]
Internal Force Field Array I
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
[empty high slot]

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

[Sudden]

This is the only way I could find it to kinda not suck but still suck a little:

Yes, it's DPS is horrendous but it still has a nasty tank. The idea is:

- No point using rockets, you get no bonus to them and the extra DPS is lost without a web anyway and you just end up being a fail brawler either way.
- You might not be fast to kite everything but you can atleast kite AB brawlers, some AFs and dessies. And theres really no reason for you to brawl, look at point 1 about rockets.
- Hope anything faster than you has worse tank/dps ratio.

It's not great but it's the best I could think of.

  Spoiler:

[Worm, PvP]
Internal Force Field Array I
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
[empty high slot]

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Too slow, too little tackle, too little dps, the ehp won't help when you get scrammed, kited, and drones killed off.

[Mahdi]

Too slow, too little tackle, too little dps, the ehp won't help when you get scrammed, kited, and drones killed off.

Worm is shit, don't bother flying it if you don't like it. I wish it would get some love but this is the fit I've had most success with and it's capable but it's easily disengagable (which is true for any ship that isn't a lot faster than what it's kiting).

a) Kited? You have 50km+ effective range, dunno what your on about.
b) Scrammed? Arty Wolf has similiar speed, you really shouldn't get scrammed by anything that isn't lightly tanked anyway, same principle. Most ceptors/navy faction frigs have all lost or been forced off by my Worm.
c) Every drone ship has issue of drones being killed off, just micro them better. Also if they are shooting your drones, they aren't shooting you.
d) If you try to get more dps with rockets, you lose too much tank and good luck beating anything in scram range with that DPS/EHP ratio. Or if you don't fit a web, whats the point of rockets? SMLs will do more damage.

Not saying it's great, it won't have the dps to kill most AFs in time (but most frigs have trouble with AFs now), it really needs a Gistii MWD for cap (which means makes it an asbolute pain to fit without certain implants or storyline launchers), it's easy to disengage because the dps is slow and steady and replacing drones is a pain in the ass. But it is what it is, fly it or don't.

[Lady Spank]

I feel more dangerous flying a Merlin.

[Gypsio]

It's incredible to think that CCP thought this heap of shit was balanced with the Dramiel when the faction frigates were reworked.

[Lex Fasces]

they keep this ship nerfed to keep people subbed in the hopes that they will buff it

and to bring subs back when they do buff it

[Ophichius]

Well, seeing as no one dragged this hull into the age of ASB yet, let me be the one to do the honors:

[Worm, Worm - Doublemint]
Co-Processor II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Internal Force Field Array I

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

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Tanks 137 per booster before heat, deals a pitiful 136 unheated damage.

Dishonour drones because fuck it why not? You're already flying a Worm.

As an aside, Worm isn't linked in the PvP sticky.

All in all, I'd rather fly a Merlin.

Edit: Was fucking around trying to build a kite fit...this almost looks not awful?

[Worm, Worm - SuperKite]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

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Again with the dishonour drones.

3.7k EHP + 3.2k from MASB

2.8km/sec before heat

146 unheated DPS

TD seems like it would push it over into being halfway decent.

-O

[Suleiman Shouaa]

Without a web, actual rocket damage vs other frigates or drones is really kind of meh.

Also, kiting with a drone boat is bad.

Best thing you can do with this ship is just plate it, have ab/web/scrambler/td in mids and just either orbit under the enemy's guns or stay at 8km pecking away - in a straight up brawl you're almost never going to win.

[Lex Fasces]

Without a web, actual rocket damage vs other frigates or drones is really kind of meh.

Also, kiting with a drone boat is bad.

Best thing you can do with this ship is just plate it, have ab/web/scrambler/td in mids and just either orbit under the enemy's guns or stay at 8km pecking away - in a straight up brawl you're almost never going to win.

would work with a falcon alt.

this ship really needs more fittings

[prometheus]

Stop putting these boosters on shit when it doesn't work.
You have more eHP fitting an MSE+DCU and standard shield rigs than you do when you gimp the fuck out of a fit because you think it looks neat when it tanks a shitty amount.

You can't simply put these things on ships just because it can fit.
Seriously, a typical MSE fit Worm has 10k uniform eHP. I can't look a thread without a bunch of you shitting them up with terrible *loltank* fits.
Hell, a single LASB doesn't even work for a Drake over a Standard setup, so there's no reason to think it will be great on a Frigate.

[LordsServant]

Stop putting these boosters on shit when it doesn't work.
You have more eHP fitting an MSE+DCU and standard shield rigs than you do when you gimp the fuck out of a fit because you think it looks neat when it tanks a shitty amount.

You can't simply put these things on ships just because it can fit.
Seriously, a typical MSE fit Worm has 10k uniform eHP. I can't look a thread without a bunch of you shitting them up with terrible *loltank* fits.
Hell, a single LASB doesn't even work for a Drake over a Standard setup, so there's no reason to think it will be great on a Frigate.

[Worm, because it can fit]
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 100
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 100
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Run armor tank most of the time, when ur buffer gets low, use MASB to let urself regen ur armor buffer, then rinse, repeat. Worst case, just swap to dishonour drones while reloading MASB/repping up ur armor buffer.

:seriousface: =D

EDIT - Has 7.2k EHP before bonuses, so yeah. Ur not gonna get volley'd and ull end up with more EHP over time than ur 10k MSE fit worm. U mad brah?

(I'm actually seriously thinking about dual tank ships now just because...hmmm)

[prometheus]

more isk than brains

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Starting off not inducing prometheus rage:

[Worm, MakeMeGood]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Internal Force Field Array I

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket
[empty high slot]
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5


171 range-less dps before heat (176 w/ heat lol) (before implants, which add a pitiful amount)
8,762 EHP
good against frigates not mounting a web and with decent flying (i.e. apply drones before they get in range, etc.)




Less conventional, and more prom rage:

[Worm, MASB]
Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Medium Shield Extender II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
[empty high slot]
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5


9k EHP, 154 dps tanked before any enhancements
151 dps nominally, drones provide 118 as rocket damage will be diminished somewhat vs. unwebbed frigates
range control can sort of be achieved via afterburner+scram combo

Again clever deployment of drones and starting engagement range help here.



It's not THAT bad really... given that drones do more or less full dps from range, that's decent.

[helgur]

[Worm, Wherewearegoingwedontneedanycap]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Small Capacitor Booster II
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

"Oh, hi thiar little loltastic worm, I will just hurt you a little with my blast... OMAGAWD WHERES MY CAP I DONT EVEN"

Only fit I've used on this ship with good results, as long as you are selective with your targets. Comets/Taranises/DD's meets a less than but still viable spectacular death against it