blame jindo minian
blame jindo minian
What's the honyang thing, I never figured out where that came from and saw it put into the thread's title one day and it's been there since.
when you have a bad game its like being back in nam, honyang honcentration camp
Sweet, E-fame i guess.
No one did answer that question about Junglers by the way.
I think the issue (and let me add your interpretation of it being a sensitive nerve is wrong) is one of worn out exhaustion. Anyone who has played the jungler role frequently knows the vile vitriol being spewed at junglers by bad players, and how it indicates complete and utter ignorance of some core game aspects.
In this case, because it's FHC and we're all brosefs, Vorkash (who I've never known to be ragey in the past) decided to make a slightly more elaborate post explaining to you that in most general cases the jungler is a role all about time management, just to get some of the more frequent misconceptions out of the way.
Anyway, yeah. Junglers are used to getting a lot of abuse hurled their way, because there are some lower elo misconceptions floating around as to what the role of a jungler is (read: not to win your lane for you)
The job of a jungler is to win all 3 lanes, solo dragon at 9min, solo baron at 25mins, and win the game by headbutting the entire enemy team into the nexus. If you can't do that then you clearly just shouldn't even have the LoL client on your hard disk.
'I'm pro life. I'm a non-smoker. I'm a pro-life non-smoker. WOO, Let the party begin!'
Jungler jobs IMO: Secure buffs/dragon/baron with wards/smite.
Keep the timers, EG Know when the next dragon spawn is. Know when the enemy blue/red are spawning and steal them. Know when that enemy flash is coming off CD (gank before then), when that enemy ward will drop (gank after), etc.
In the laning phase, gank lanes that either: need a winnable gank or have an easily winnable gank available.
Hold a lane while a player shops.
Keep a "big picture" view of what's happening in all lanes at all times. The jungler tends to be a good choice for the "team captain" because jungling itself is so easy and requires good game awareness.
Not the jungler's job:
Win your lane for you.
Carry the team.
Ward your lane.
Play the game for you.
Which hopefully illustrates to Jindo that from a decision making/time management perspective, the jungler is the hardest role to play.
So, for those complaining about elo hell:
1600 ranked game, we Irelia (me), LB, Rammus, Janna, Sivir vs team tanky bitches Udyr top, Lee, Morde, Ali, MF
Was my first Irelia game in like 4 month or so. So i go ultrasafe start cloth + 5, early trades seem to go okay. Then Rammus + LB go full derp around our blue, we lose a 3vs3 0-2, giving Udyr the edge he needs to bully me around (my lack of practice didnt help, couldnt really judge when to fight back or when to just disengage).
Goes downhill from there, everyone smacks everyone else. Enemy team gets cocky. Were down to mid inhib with no towers downed on their side, its approx 4-15 at that point.
Magically they start overxtending like mad, we save inhib with a couple of kills. I build ghetto Irelia (Ninja taibi, Wits End, Phage, Sheen, Negatron, Chainmail), its enough that i finally can jump around in teamfights (mainly on MF) without evaporating. LB finally has enough for dcap, which means that she can burst Morde to 20% every time, with us doing the rest. They go for baron, we contest succesfully. Defend some more, gank some guys that solo around in the jungle. Get next Baron, they didnt quite get the timer right, we ace them as they come for contest. Push down mid + nexus.
Much lolz were had.
Last edited by Lilalaunebör; March 13 2012 at 11:50:14 PM.
Relevant quote from old thread:
It came down to this for me too. I used to main junglers, but solo-queue destroyed my soul. If you're 1 or 2 pick, take your favorite carry, otherwise support.Originally Posted by Vorkash
As requested by Vorkash, a replay. Can I ask some of the higher elo people to watch it and give me some feedback? Because I'm so tired of these games..
This one especially, one of the most frustrating games in a long time.
Bump for people to please check my replay and give me feedback.