pre-fanfest macro purge

[Malcanis]

Botting accounts are a large source of income for CCP. Somebody running 6 bots is paying the company ~90 dollars a month (one way or another). That's 75 more dollars for game development than most of us non botters are paying. I don't want to be that guy, especially since botting really hurts an MMO but there's a fine balance to reach I suppose.

At a time when "real" people are dropping extra accoutns because PLEX price are too high, this is not a convincing argument.

[Batolemaeus]

I would be surprised if the amount of supers that weren't botted or rmted for is higher then 10%.

ftf

Pretty much.

[Amantus]

I literally didn't know that botting was this widespread.

lol basically

[Tsubutai]

Listening to some goons crying on comms saying it was only supposed to be the drone regions and high sec bots to be banned is glorious.

It is annoying CCP only does serious bot banning before fanfests. Shit should be 24/7 365 tbfh.

recording or gtfo

[FatFreddy]

I literally didn't know that botting was this widespread.

lol basically

One of the reasons I quit, I suddenly felt even dumber for any ratting I had done in my eve career (but was reliant on it since I never spent that much time on actually playing the game) and concluded that essentially, on the market/pve side, playing a game against bots was a very dumb thing to do, even more so if you paid for it and the developer seemed unable/unwilling to actually do something against it.

[Liptonez]

Its a bot holocaust.

Le edit: I added 20 ish botters 2 weeks ago to my contact list, all are offline, every single one of them, when they usually are on 23/7.

[Fatyn]

This is good news and the cheater tears are v nice. However I would like to know what major 'breakthrough' CCP have had than enables them to hit so many bots all at once, in the run-up to fanfest.

I would also seriously like some stats on the effectiveness of the player bot reporting system. How many people report bots, how many are correct / incorrect / confirm what CCP suspected, how many subsequently get the banhammer.

Clearly CCP keep the whole situation cloudy to avoid the macros "gaming the system", but it leaves the majority of legit players unsatisfied and cynical about their efforts to stomp on bots. I think people would be more keen to help report bots if they saw some concrete results.

[Grarr Dexx]

Haha oh wow 'even my non botting accounts got banned!'. They don't want your accounts to fuck off, they want YOU to fuck off.

[Doomed Predator]

Always a pleasure seeing botters cry.

[Raivi]

I would be surprised if the amount of supers that weren't botted or rmted for is higher then 10%.

ftf

Let me explain to you this little thing called tech (and before that Dyspro).

[Jack bubu]

This is good news and the cheater tears are v nice. However I would like to know what major 'breakthrough' CCP have had than enables them to hit so many bots all at once, in the run-up to fanfest.

I would also seriously like some stats on the effectiveness of the player bot reporting system. How many people report bots, how many are correct / incorrect / confirm what CCP suspected, how many subsequently get the banhammer.

Clearly CCP keep the whole situation cloudy to avoid the macros "gaming the system", but it leaves the majority of legit players unsatisfied and cynical about their efforts to stomp on bots. I think people would be more keen to help report bots if they saw some concrete results.

i assume they just gathered data for a long time to do one huge strike to not allow any "cover up" actions or emergency isk transfers / whatever.
Basicly dont let the botters time to react / adapt

[TotallyNotDaneel]

The quickest of googlings produced the figures of ~5.5-6bil isk/month/tech moon as of ~this time last year. And Titans costing ~60bil going by eve-kill, that's only 1 Titan or 3x20bil moms per year per moon.

[2012/01/19][11:31:53] 4,213 supers being flown total. 3,384 supercarriers, 829 titans.
[2012/01/19][11:02:28] 2011: 1,646 supercarriers built, 370 titans built. 269 supercarriers destroyed, 86 titans destroyed.

AFAIK Tech can't be funding at least 1/2 the supers produced.

[Xiang Jiao]

Cause this holy unrage campaigns cause a massive queue on the petition system. Would you like to constantly ban botters at the cost of having all your GMs swamped in petitions asking for unbanning and not doing other important stuff?

Since they have a three strike system, why couldn't they just auto-close any petition from an account that is suspended for botting? This is assuming that the investigative measures they use to identify bots is thorough and accurate. These mass bannings possibly come at the end of a multi-month investigation where all the botting suspects are convicted with ironclad evidence. If they aren't being thorough, and just using a script on one random weekend before Fanfest and suspending all the positives, they are likely to make a lot of mistakes and aggravate legitimate paying customers.

Botting accounts are a large source of income for CCP. Somebody running 6 bots is paying the company ~90 dollars a month (one way or another). That's 75 more dollars for game development than most of us non botters are paying. I don't want to be that guy, especially since botting really hurts an MMO but there's a fine balance to reach I suppose.

The bittervet in me suspects there is some truth to this. I would feel much more comfortable about the health of the game if bot bans happened on a consistent basis. It might convince a lot of the casual botters that it's not worth it. Let's see how this affects PLEX prices, but I don't expect it to in the long run since the persistent ones will just start from scratch again and be raking in ISK in a couple weeks and the cycle will continue until the next episode of Unholy Rage.

[Zeekar]

I would be surprised if the amount of supers that weren't botted or rmted for is higher then 10%.

ftf

Let me explain to you this little thing called tech (and before that Dyspro).

I don't think he is capable of rational thinking when it comes to supers.

The quickest of googlings produced the figures of ~5.5-6bil isk/month/tech moon as of ~this time last year. And Titans costing ~60bil going by eve-kill, that's only 1 Titan or 3x20bil moms per year per moon.

[2012/01/19][11:31:53] 4,213 supers being flown total. 3,384 supercarriers, 829 titans.
[2012/01/19][11:02:28] 2011: 1,646 supercarriers built, 370 titans built. 269 supercarriers destroyed, 86 titans destroyed.

AFAIK Tech can't be funding at least 1/2 the supers produced.

Build cost != sell cost. I'm quite sure more then half of supers produced were half that price

[Liptonez]

Build cost != sell cost. I'm quite sure more then half of supers produced were half that price

Well for titans that is the true cost + BPC price, the moms in his example are 2x the price though. And then again you have to keep in mind unfitted motherships went for 13-15b and titans have been going for 75b+ for a while now, which is still ways above build cost.

[Batolemaeus]

I would be surprised if the amount of supers that weren't botted or rmted for is higher then 10%.

ftf

Let me explain to you this little thing called tech (and before that Dyspro).

You cannot build a super using tech.

[Zeekar]

Build cost != sell cost. I'm quite sure more then half of supers produced were half that price

Well for titans that is the true cost + BPC price, the moms in his example are 2x the price though. And then again you have to keep in mind unfitted motherships went for 13-15b and titans have been going for 75b+ for a while now, which is still ways above build cost.

Titans are currently with me 0 cost around 56 bil. They were 39 bil cca 2 months ago. We in corp had a program to help people get in tits and supers so it was even cheaper.

[damaslaus]

any announcement from CCP or official figures of how many got banned and if perma/temp?

temp bans dont really change anything, just delay for 2 weeks~ then back to norm.

[Xiang Jiao]

temp bans dont really change anything, just delay for 2 weeks~ then back to norm.

You could even argue this about permabans. Any serious macro outfit will have fresh accounts ready to bot, so let's say around a month (or even sooner) to recoup the losses confiscated by CCP, then back to business as usual. This is why I think the yearly scourge and purge strategy isn't as effective as it could be.

[Raivi]

I would be surprised if the amount of supers that weren't botted or rmted for is higher then 10%.

ftf

Let me explain to you this little thing called tech (and before that Dyspro).

You cannot build a super using tech.

You can't build a super using rmt'd or botted isk either. The point is that you can use either method to buy the super or everything you need to make the super.

If he's saying that they're botted for because of mining bots and drone region ratting bots providing the source of the minerals, the same can be said of anything in eve. By that logic 90% of rifters are botted for.