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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    As I said earlier, real life has priority over EVE. In June I was working 60 hours weeks and logged in two or three times over the course of the month. So while I knew the Jita riots were occurring, I wasn't then and am not now, in a position to speak on them. The sudden turn around is pretty easy to explain; I lost my job. Nothing more to it.
    If you're going to tell me those failings are the result of negligence, then you can simply toss off. I expect anyone else in a similar situation to do the same, and if not, they don't have their priorities straight..
    Fair point; I didn't mean to imply that internet spaceships should take priority over real life concerns. But consider this: By putting your name forward as a CSM candidate, you made a commitment that you'd be able to balance EVE and RL. Clearly, you were unable to do so. Is this a personal failing on your part? Of course not. Shit happens to everybody. But it did render you unsuitable for the position you were elected to.

    There's no shame in that fact. Real world politicians resign all the time due to health or family reasons taking priority over the responsibilities of office. Nevertheless, if you're unable to find that balance between EVE and RL, no matter how legitimate your reasons, you are not a suitable CSM candidate. Presently, you're very active and vocal (and may have been at the summit, but I have no way of knowing that). Don't make the mistake of thinking this is "balance". I would classify it as "oversteering".
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    I wouldn't say unsuitable, as I still delivered on what I said I would.

    I was not at the emergency summit (which everyone went to) but I was at the December summit.
    It normally would not work out that way, but there were some last minute scheduling issues, so I was subbed in to go.

    I'm not trying to call it balance or anything, but my accomplishments can't be ignored.
    Despite personal problems and changing priorities, I came through with what I said I would in a shortened span.
    I'd even go so far as to argue that I'm one of the few CSM folk (past & present) who actually achieved anything they had actually set out to do from the beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    I'm not trying to call it balance or anything, but my accomplishments can't be ignored.
    Despite personal problems and changing priorities, I came through with what I said I would in a shortened span.
    Again, fair point. The last couple of months do count for something. Unfortunately, so do the previous six.

    Frankly, no matter what you've accomplished, I'd rather elect a CSM candidate that will accomplish things in his entire term, rather than the last few months of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steph View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    I'm not trying to call it balance or anything, but my accomplishments can't be ignored.
    Despite personal problems and changing priorities, I came through with what I said I would in a shortened span.
    Again, fair point. The last couple of months do count for something. Unfortunately, so do the previous six.

    Frankly, no matter what you've accomplished, I'd rather elect a CSM candidate that will accomplish things in his entire term, rather than the last few months of it.
    Tell you what, re-elect me and I'll do the same amount, but spread it out over the entire term instead
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    I'm not trying to call it balance or anything, but my accomplishments can't be ignored.
    Despite personal problems and changing priorities, I came through with what I said I would in a shortened span.
    Again, fair point. The last couple of months do count for something. Unfortunately, so do the previous six.

    Frankly, no matter what you've accomplished, I'd rather elect a CSM candidate that will accomplish things in his entire term, rather than the last few months of it.
    Tell you what, re-elect me and I'll do the same amount, but spread it out over the entire term instead
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    I find it peculiar that you'd prefer a :lolcsm: dropout (no offense, your admissions) over a candidate that's been proven effective.
    who is this lolcsm drop out?

    If you are refering to me, I didn't drop out - I was protesting and trying to make a point and both times I was in the csm it was serious. Unlike you guys who don't live in the middle of no-where, flying to Iceland was a pretty big deal for me, and I'd not been overseas in some time (even if it was 112hours total traveling to get there). Regardless why you think I "dropped out", why would someone give this up and their game just to because they were angry? I judged my value as a csm member and figured I'd do more good for the game trying to raise awareness to MTs than staying on (especially when there were so many capable people already there). I seriously doubt any other csm candidate would be so selfless and honest about their value in aid of their cause.
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    I'll vote for T'amber in the absence of any other candidate with a decent platform. You have my rifter sir.

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    Dropping out in protest is still dropping out
    Nobody forced your hand, you simply felt it was the best course of action.

    As a candidate, people vote you in expecting you to deliver on your promises etc. Instead, you throw a fit (and the towel) and give up.
    While you weren't the first, nobody cares about how selfless & honest you guys were being. That doesn't help anyone, and is merely a weak attempt to look good in the eyes of the public.
    Those people who voted now lost their champion. Hell, you weren't even paying to play at the time.

    The difference is that while I wasn't exactly active at the start of the term, it wasn't by choice.
    The difference is that the moment I got back, I was full steam ahead with no compromise.
    The difference is that I got the results I was looking for, and fulfilled my promises in the process.
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    Hey man I'm sorry I stumbled and knocked over and broke your flower vase. It wasn't by choice, so I shouldn't be held responsible.
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    Steph, you've made your point very clear but who are you trying to convince here? Prom is still going to run. And your values and analysis mean he won't get your vote. Doesn't mean others won't either.

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    I s'ppose you're right.

    Ceasing shitting up this thread in 3...2...
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    Dropping out in protest is still dropping out
    Nobody forced your hand, you simply felt it was the best course of action.

    As a candidate, people vote you in expecting you to deliver on your promises etc. Instead, you throw a fit (and the towel) and give up.
    While you weren't the first, nobody cares about how selfless & honest you guys were being. That doesn't help anyone, and is merely a weak attempt to look good in the eyes of the public.
    Those people who voted now lost their champion. Hell, you weren't even paying to play at the time.

    The difference is that while I wasn't exactly active at the start of the term, it wasn't by choice.
    The difference is that the moment I got back, I was full steam ahead with no compromise.
    The difference is that I got the results I was looking for, and fulfilled my promises in the process.
    What do you mean not paying for my account? How else would I have been playing?
    Most of my voters knew what I was doing and they were consulted first and understood.

    The fact of the matter was that it did have the effect that I wanted albiet a much smaller one than expected, but it was for a specific reason that was the biggest topic on my agenda.
    But yes the reasons don't matter do they and this is what I failed to grasp - its what it looks like to the majority that defines the truth.

    Never said I was any good at politics, but I sure can make a mean scorpion right? right?
    Steph - you weren't shitting up the thread it was already shit to begin with - but your disourse with Prom is interesteing.

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    My mistake, I was misinformed about the account business
    And yes, you do make some pretty nice textures

    As for the vase analogy..
    The good guy would offer to pay for / replace /fix it, which I'd argue is what I did during the latter portion of the term.
    Whether or not someone would accept the offer is something else entirely, but that's not up to me. It's entirely in the voters hands.

    I'm simply trying to argue my case and show that I'm not hiding a ulterior motive or something.
    I fucked up and in the end, I delivered what was asked of me. Can't really ask for more than that from an unpaid space-politician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheus View Post
    My mistake, I was misinformed about the account business
    And yes, you do make some pretty nice textures

    As for the vase analogy..
    The good guy would offer to pay for / replace /fix it, which I'd argue is what I did during the latter portion of the term.
    Whether or not someone would accept the offer is something else entirely, but that's not up to me. It's entirely in the voters hands.

    I'm simply trying to argue my case and show that I'm not hiding a ulterior motive or something.
    I fucked up and in the end, I delivered what was asked of me. Can't really ask for more than that from an unpaid space-politician.
    You know the more you try an explain the truth the less people believe you
    While there is an expectation that you are present for the majority of meetings, to me you obviously care and that's enough for me to consider you a serious candidate.
    Now you just have to live with it and somehow navigate around the people who just can't accept that RL can be more important than EVE, even when you don't want it to be.

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    unless spaceships start paying for my bills
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    I thought you weren't going to go for CSM 7 T'Amber or did my awesome "You should run again for the lols" argument convince you to :P

    Also love the internalising a really complicated situation in my head quote :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Cutter View Post
    I thought you weren't going to go for CSM 7 T'Amber or did my awesome "You should run again for the lols" argument convince you to :P

    Also love the internalising a really complicated situation in my head quote :P
    No one else got it. plebs.
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    holy shit you're such a faggot itt prom

    and that's saying a ton considering it's t'ambers fucking thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intigo View Post
    holy shit you're such a faggot itt prom

    and that's saying a ton considering it's t'ambers fucking thread
    prom is cool get your tongue out of t'ambers ass.

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