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    Learn to play WoT like a boss/pro/fagget (Replay commentary series) new ep, 27/3 IS-3

    So I have been thinking about this for quite a while considering the amount of bads in this game and some requests from a few people in game and on the forum for some kind of "guides" so today i sat down and finally just did it.

    Now when/if you watch this, keep in mind that I literally just fired up a demo and started talking, so there is no planning involved in this which will show a lot in the test episode. I lose track of myself quite often and i don't always go into too much detail all the time and I get hung up in a few topics that are not necessarily critical to the actual game in question.

    Id still like some feedback on it. I plan to make a few more episodes (with proper planning before i start actually doing them) and eventually release them onto the WoT forum, but id like to know what you think about the concept.

    For instance, I'm not sure if I should comment on matches from start to finish, or focus on specific situations, or both.

    Id like to be able to focus on entire games, but i feel this one in particular ended up dragging out forever, (my fault for being an incoherent fgt as well though) but I figure for starters getting the basics down will probably be easier and more efficient.

    Either way, have a look and let me know what you think.



    new episode featuring Xiangs IS-3 derp on Ensk, this one is also not scripted so i derp around again but i felt it was at least a bit more to the point.

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    And I love those shitty 57mm T50-2s that brawl my 76mm...lawl...I do panther I DPS, bitch.

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    Also, turns out talking for 30min is fucking tedious on your throat when you are speaking something that isn't your native language..

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    And I love those shitty 57mm T50-2s that brawl my 76mm...lawl...I do panther I DPS, bitch.

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    I have notes...

    You don't have to justify making a youtube video, you don't have to tell us you are right about what you say, that is everybody's position. Everybody knows you think you're correct.

    Also don't be concearned about the mic qualilty; idealy fix it, if you're not goign to I'd adress it in comments, or decripition if poeple are bugging you about it.

    Telling me you have a rank which other poeple have becasue they used gold stuff seems irrelivent to the message; this is a tutorial right? Poeple aren't going to come to it becasue they wonder how you rate your skill vs poeple who use more gold than you. There nothing wrong with explining your oppionion of the state of the game or you oppinion of other play styles, but it detracts from the focus of this video.

    When you start talking about how to do things and why to do things you seem to be most fluent and confident; when you spent a few seconds talking about front armour, you sounded like you meant it and were confident and enthusiastic enough that I was just nodding, not saying 'duh'.

    I'm not trying to dissuade you, there's good stuff in there - I think if you mindmapped the topics stuctured what you wanted to say and worked on stratergy, then tacktics, then your special moves, recap for begginers for example you'd end up with more time in your confident and authoritive mode.

    It's often helpful in such videos where you want to present expertese to have someone to 'interview' you. If I was watching this video and asking you questions, preferably with an adgenda to cover agreed topics it would be easier to get a higher ratio of the good content. It's easier to stay natural and keep on track and a lot of regular youtubers do it (some better than others).

    You could ask you own questions; if you find yourself drifting just ask 'What an I doing here? and why...?'

    You see this a lot on you tube, poeple post videos answering the quesitons their initial ones have raised which are more focued and interesting.

    Again, I'm not trying to shit on it in any way, and there's no need to find any of my videos to apply all the same critisisms. Move along. But I think you could get a lot from planning it out.

    Also tanks is shit.


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    As i said, this was kinda rushed to see if people even liked the concept. I have no experience with this kind of stuff and i just did it on the go, no planning or anything, so yeah i know i sound a bit unconfident in some places but im just trying to find the best words for it. When i do make a decision on how to proceede i will definatly make an effort to make sure its more "scripted" and fluent so people actually feel like they are getting concise advice from someone who actually knows how to play. Im aware of this already, but thanks anyway for confirming it.

    As for the "gold, ranks, stats" etc i mostly put it in there because peoples perception of people with high win rates and DPB seems to be that they use a lot of premium equipment and ammo and i wanted to make it clear that this does not have to be the case. It has little to do with justifying myself or anything like that. In fact, the people who i know are better than me atm i dont think a single one use any significant amount of gold ammo or equipment so its definatly not a defensive comment.
    In the end it doesnt really fit in there, i agree. I think i should probably work on some sort of "mission statement" to release with the first episode for this kind of stuff to make it clearer.

    All in all, i your post basically the thoughts i had about it so thanks a lot!

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    And I love those shitty 57mm T50-2s that brawl my 76mm...lawl...I do panther I DPS, bitch.

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    Was pretty neat. I do think you pause the replay a bit too much and then drift off to a semi-related topic which can drag a bit. Also the flicky zooming in and out is kind of annoying to watch. Other than that it was good.

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    I liked the comment you made about using a new computer to run synthetic benchmarks instead of actually playing games. While I don't think it makes a good analogy with base capping, they are both frustrating to me as well. People don't know why they need to cap a base, they just do. I probably sit in the cap circle with an intention to win that way once in every 50 games.
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    I thought it was kinda long...but I am a product of the TL;DR generation.

    Another format you can try is to just play a normal game and do a live recording of it. And at the start, talk of what your planning on doing and why (ie. We have IS-3's, enemy has KV-5's so I am going to be aggressive.) Pretty much, whatever your normally thinking during a match, say it out loud. "I see 3 enemy heavy tanks on the other side of the map via minimap, and I know that the enemy only has 4 heavy tanks, so I would probably only meet their mediums and lights if I move up here..."

    Alternatively, record a good match, then commentate on it during the replay and your thought processes.



    I dunno if you should go into the "obvious" stuff like sloped armor and keeping angles up, your penetration value vs their armor, etc. Entirely depends on your targeted audience. Newbies? Average? Experienced?


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    Btw, having played WoT back in beta quite a bit, the point of facehugging is to avoid your body getting hit (some tanks lack the depression i.e. M4 1945) and you're pretty much forced to wiggle your turret.
    That makes shooting those aforementioned weak spots harder to hit and might put you in a position you otherwise would have not achieve.

    Anyway, at that time it was used with Is3/4/7s against german tanks (kts/ausfb/maus') since the IS-7 could then win with 100% confidence against a Maus (turret ring ). And even the is-4 had a great chance of winning face to face against any of the german heavy line often w/o losing hp.

    Just my 2c, not trying to insult you or anything.

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    Excellent vid; thanks! As one of the "bads" it's nice to see someone who knows what he's doing go through all the basic stuff.

    You mentioned a bunch of mods you use in the beginning; could you list them?

    Looking forward to the next one.
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    Just watched, I'll try to take something out of it. Halka is pleased.

    Anyway, is that an 88mm? I do not own a KT yet, so I've no way of telling which gun is that - but if it is, what are the reasons for using it? I realize this is not exactly on topic as the scope here is tactics and not Vexor loadouts, but it's something that surprised me a bit.
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    Nope, its the 105mm L/68

    Quote Originally Posted by Lusulpher View Post
    And I love those shitty 57mm T50-2s that brawl my 76mm...lawl...I do panther I DPS, bitch.

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    Heh, I wanted to ask you yesterday to make sth like this and here it is. Thanks a lot!

    Also make one for a med and a light tank, plz.
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    Thanks for vid, will watch it as soon as I get time.

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    ok so couple of comments/ideas:

    Commenting on specific situations is actually what you did in this vid, but only because it was full of crucial decision making. I am pretty sure that you could find couple of replays similar to this one when every ten seconds you have something to comment about. At first I wanted to say that you should choose situation to comment about from different replays, thus choosing the best to comment about, but now that I thin about it it's not possible: when you want to talk about choosing targets or why you charged some tank, you would have to spend 2 minutes before each part just explaining how you ended up in this spot. You rarely could say "I shot this tank just because" as it doesn't explain anything, you say that "I hit this tank because there are couple behind me so if I finish that one I can move to a better spot and engage them in a more optimal conditions". I mean that usually things that happened 5 minutes ago impact on your choice, so simply picking 1 minute parts from different games would make it unexplainable. I hope that I made sense I just got back from an exam and I can't brain.


    I don't pay that much attention to wot community or something so I don't know if there are any vids similar to yours out there, but definitely this is useful, gj
    just keep in mind that the moment you release that on wot forums eventually you are going to get comments like "capping is pro" "you're a retard I'm better" "panther is a good tank" "you should snipe with kt"
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    Quote Originally Posted by hXc View Post
    "capping is pro" "you're a retard I'm better" "panther is a good tank" "you should snipe with kt"
    QFT!


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    Capping is situational, I like shooting other tanks more, like prolly every player, but if I can secure a win instead of taking chances running around map hunting, I'll go for cap every time.

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    Heh, just yesterday I've had a fight in an 13-90 that ended with me and an ally in another 13-90 against a full health IS-4 and an M41. I was at about 200 HP and briefly entertained the notion of picking a fight with the IS (which was crawling up the hill into our base (this was Karelia)).

    I finally just said 'fuck it' and scooted to the opposite corner of the map to cap, while the other dude kept him busy. Killed the arty and proceeded to cap.

    I do feel a bit dirty, but considering most of my attempts to damage IS-4's from the side result in zerocrits, I'm not sure I could have contributed much. The other AMX did survive for those two minutes and was pestering him constantly, so I am a bit torn on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tordin Varglund View Post
    So I have been thinking about this for quite a while considering the amount of bads in this game and some requests from a few people in game and on the forum for some kind of "guides" so today i sat down and finally just did it.

    Now when/if you watch this, keep in mind that I literally just fired up a demo and started talking, so there is no planning involved in this which will show a lot in the test episode. I lose track of myself quite often and i don't always go into too much detail all the time and I get hung up in a few topics that are not necessarily critical to the actual game in question.

    Id still like some feedback on it. I plan to make a few more episodes (with proper planning before i start actually doing them) and eventually release them onto the WoT forum, but id like to know what you think about the concept.

    For instance, I'm not sure if I should comment on matches from start to finish, or focus on specific situations, or both.

    Id like to be able to focus on entire games, but i feel this one in particular ended up dragging out forever, (my fault for being an incoherent fgt as well though) but I figure for starters getting the basics down will probably be easier and more efficient.

    Either way, have a look and let me know what you think.



    I quite enjoyed it thanks for that.

    I disagree a bit about the capping thing though. I think tactical capping on certain maps gives a big advantage to your team because it makes the other team aware that their lifeblood is dripping away and splits their focus away from the advance (where it should be) and means they have to start thinking about base defence. Biggest example of that would be the half and half town / forest maps where the heavies tend to dance in the buildings and the mediums can fight on the forested approach and if you get through to the enemy base and start capping it means enemy heavies get distracted.

    Also, capping while taking up a proper defensive position is possible.

    But I don't want to distract too much from the main of the video which I liked. Thanks for that, more please.

    (in tanks i'm one of those interminable +51% players who tends to be way too aggressive to get a genuinely good win rate in randoms and my stats were completely fucked by playing too many games for credit grinding in the Lowe)

    I definitely want the mod to show player win rate / hit percentage on my over target markers though. Can you link that?

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    It's this one: http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.p...layer-ratings/

    It shows player win ratios in team rosters though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halka View Post
    It's this one: http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.p...layer-ratings/

    It shows player win ratios in team rosters though.
    Just installed it .. bloody hell - its taken my innocence away - seeing how terribad my team is answers so many mysteries about how certain games turn out

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