[TMA] the new and improved AF's

[prometheus]

You can't fit much more tank on a Hawk, unless you REALLY dump isk into it.
The new thing with the Hawk, is that now you can fit a tank AND tackle.

[Naoru]

The new Vengeance is awesome for brawling larger ships. Had a fight with a Cane + Stiletto last night. I was running a MWD + NOS fit. Even under dual neuts, I was able to get rep cycles. With some manual piloting you can get under medium guns (Cane was fit with 220 AC's in this case)easily. Cane was in deep shields near the end when the Stiletto scooted in and slapped a web on me. Pop, goes the Vengeance.

Anyway, the new new AF's are more than capable of killing bigger stuff. Just pray that they have no webs, you don't get vollied on the burn in for tackle and you can kill them before backup arrives.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

The new Vengeance is awesome for brawling larger ships. Had a fight with a Cane + Stiletto last night. I was running a MWD + NOS fit. Even under dual neuts, I was able to get rep cycles. With some manual piloting you can get under medium guns (Cane was fit with 220 AC's in this case)easily. Cane was in deep shields near the end when the Stiletto scooted in and slapped a web on me. Pop, goes the Vengeance.

Anyway, the new new AF's are more than capable of killing bigger stuff. Just pray that they have no webs, you don't get vollied on the burn in for tackle and you can kill them before backup arrives.

While I agree with the sentiment, that's approaching Tebow-esque levels of prayer right there.

[Shin_getter]

Okay, so does that mean I should evade any new AF in non-anti-frig fit BC and cruisers when solo-ing? If a shield cane with neuts have problems, I don't think most other shield BC have a chance in hell. (excluding podla drakes)

[Lady Spank]

It's mostly only bads in BC's that will have problems.

[Daneel Trevize]

And there will be plenty of terrible AF pilots trying out the new buffed frigs, as don't they cost <= a BC loss, especially a tier3, with minimal SP barrier.

[Gabriel]

So a question on the buffed AFs.

I see quite a few fits listed in the ship set-up hangar with MWDs now, and I understand the 50% sig reduction has made MWD fits much more viable now, but I would still personally be inclined to fit an AB.

Assuming you can set up a circumstance where you can catch the ships you want to engage, wouldn't an AB still pay off in terms of range control and transversal, particularly against other AFs that are MWD fit?

[prometheus]

If you can catch someone when using an AB, yes the AB is still superior.

[Raz]

If you can catch someone when using an AB, yes the AB is still superior.

Or put another way, within web/scram range, AB/scram and AB/web/scram fits have superior range control than if they were fit without an AB. However, MWDs offer more versatility for navigating the grid, burning to targets, out of bubbles, splitting groups, and even in a close range dogfight an MWD burst at the start can put you in a position closer or futher away depending on preference that can be decisive. Especially considering how short many dogfights last.

[RoemySchneider]

AFs still die just as horribly as before when scrambled and their mwd bloom bonus doesn't apply anymore. so yeah, bring an AB if you intend to get close.
or just kite (and be happy with your ~100 dps -.-)

[Raz]

AFs still die just as horribly as before when scrambled and their mwd bloom bonus doesn't apply anymore. so yeah, bring an AB if you intend to get close.
or just kite (and be happy with your ~100 dps -.-)

Or learn how to manually pilot 0m orbits on cruisers and above and use your mwd to get there in the first place. ABs are extremely unnecessary when fighting larger hulls. Their prime utility is in a dogfight where you don't need to maneuver on the field.

[Big Jord]

Is the Wolf now the Minmatar AF of choice since the buff? I saw some artillery fits but how does the Wolf do it better than the Thrasher?

[prometheus]

smaller, faster, more range, better resists

[Suleiman Shouaa]

Is the Wolf now the Minmatar AF of choice since the buff? I saw some artillery fits but how does the Wolf do it better than the Thrasher?

Jaguar has no discernible weakness, but at the same time it's pretty average amongst the AFs, except when you consider speed. Arty Wolf handles like a miniature Arty Thrasher, with less cap and less damage but better agility/range/speed.

[Diziet]

Jaguars biggest weakness is it's terrible dps. Your main advantage with the jag is speed you have to be a much better pilot at determining when to bail on a fight then before.

You can still fit a jag for a decent tank plus full tackle or go without a web and fit a excellent tank.

The biggest draw back to the jag is that in almost all engagements you will be doing less then 200 dps.

On the plus side in scram range with full tackle you should be able to dictate range on any other AF

[blaad]

cant fit a nos cause of PG even with ion

wat?

  Spoiler:

[Enyo, 200mm + nos]
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I

Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Small Nosferatu II

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I

[Big Jord]

Jaguars biggest weakness is it's terrible dps. Your main advantage with the jag is speed you have to be a much better pilot at determining when to bail on a fight then before.

You can still fit a jag for a decent tank plus full tackle or go without a web and fit a excellent tank.

The biggest draw back to the jag is that in almost all engagements you will be doing less then 200 dps.

On the plus side in scram range with full tackle you should be able to dictate range on any other AF

This was pretty much what I found out that prompted me to ask the question. Except even with the ability to dictate range the Enyo and the Ishkur (blaster) were still out shooting me at any given range using Null. Is there anything the Jag can do against that or are they just the new hot shit?

(Disclaimer: This was all EFT warrioring)

[Itiken]

From a limited bit of Flying, I've had a fair bit of luck with dual-nano'd Jags killing inties and faction stuff. Getting 5km/s out of one isn't too hard, pretend you only do 2.5k for a bit then pounce on them with an overloaded scram/web/mwd.
:tears:

[Suleiman Shouaa]

Jaguars biggest weakness is it's terrible dps. Your main advantage with the jag is speed you have to be a much better pilot at determining when to bail on a fight then before.

You can still fit a jag for a decent tank plus full tackle or go without a web and fit a excellent tank.

The biggest draw back to the jag is that in almost all engagements you will be doing less then 200 dps.

On the plus side in scram range with full tackle you should be able to dictate range on any other AF

This was pretty much what I found out that prompted me to ask the question. Except even with the ability to dictate range the Enyo and the Ishkur (blaster) were still out shooting me at any given range using Null. Is there anything the Jag can do against that or are they just the new hot shit?

(Disclaimer: This was all EFT warrioring)

If they're MWD fit, let them burn at you then hit them with an overheated small neut and pray they have no nos.