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    Re: Wolf

    They're nullsec fits so the number of AB/scram frigates you come across is pretty limited and a lot of those are Dramiels. The Wolf's strength here is its range, doing good damage all the way through scram distance. A bit of clever flying, ie making sure you don't overshoot and timing your scram means that once your both moving at 400ish m/s it doesn't matter if they're faster because the time it takes them to pull range or escape is plenty enough for them to die.

    As for gatecamps, if you think there's too much fast tackle or long range webs/scrams to burn away and engage the small stuff then an overloaded MWD pulse should get you back to the gate.

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    Re: Wolf

    Enyo works pretty much the same way. It does > 250 dps with null out to 5km and still does decent damage at 10, which is kinda similar to the wolf. A typical medium extender dram can only last about 25 seconds or so under that much dps and other fraction frigates will often only last for 15 - 20 seconds, so you can get the kill before they get a chance to escape.

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    Re: Wolf

    [Wolf, lolshields]
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

    Medium Shield Extender II
    1MN Afterburner II

    200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S

    Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
    Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
    Velocity: 411 / 987 / 1274
    EHP: 9.38k
    Barrage: 1.95km + 22.1km, 188 / 216 dps
    Phased Plasma: .975km + 14.8km, 236 / 271 dps

    Pros: Tanked wrong, no range control, useless in solo work.

    I'll fly it later(tm) in a wolfpack, in theory it'll do great if the tacklers are non-retarded. Most everybody who is not flying a wolf has some sort of tackle anyway. If you downgrade the extender to a F-S9, you can fit your choice of meta neut.

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    Re: Wolf

    I managed to squeeze togther this fit, cba with EFT stats

    DPS/EHP Combo Brawler Wolf

    4 x 150mm Light Autocannon II
    Arbalest Rocket Launcher I

    Coreli C-Type 1mn Afterburner I
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

    Damage Control II
    Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer I
    Gyrostabilizer II
    400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

    Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
    Small Anti-Explosive Pump I

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    Re: Wolf

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyra
    I managed to squeeze togther this fit, cba with EFT stats

    DPS/EHP Combo Brawler Wolf

    4 x 150mm Light Autocannon II
    Arbalest Rocket Launcher I

    Coreli C-Type 1mn Afterburner I
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

    Damage Control II
    Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer I
    Gyrostabilizer II
    400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

    Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
    Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
    maybe lose sight of something here or how to "EFT" properly ... but this runs out of cpu/and/or grid with implants and all lvl5

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    Re: Wolf

    Not really:

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    Re: Wolf

    Cheaper variant of 200mm+Sar made possible by my lack of rocket skills, ignorance of T2 rig pricing and a fear of using high meta level mods. an extra ~20 dps is available if you downgrade the dcu+sar to slap on a rocket.

    Tracking makes me sad, rest makes me very happy. Great vs non AB frigates.

    [Wolf, modified]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Damage Control II
    Small Armor Repairer II
    200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
    [empty high slot]

    Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
    Small Projectile Burst Aerator I

    256dps 2,392m/s 7,278ehp

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    Re: Wolf

    Quote Originally Posted by Smabs
    Enyo works pretty much the same way. It does > 250 dps with null out to 5km and still does decent damage at 10, which is kinda similar to the wolf. A typical medium extender dram can only last about 25 seconds or so under that much dps and other fraction frigates will often only last for 15 - 20 seconds, so you can get the kill before they get a chance to escape.
    non retarded drams will just orbit close where your shitty tracking will pwn you though.

    my pvp course is on hold atm until after AT unless you make me an offer I cant resist. sorry

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    Re: Wolf

    Quote Originally Posted by Podcat
    Quote Originally Posted by Smabs
    Enyo works pretty much the same way. It does > 250 dps with null out to 5km and still does decent damage at 10, which is kinda similar to the wolf. A typical medium extender dram can only last about 25 seconds or so under that much dps and other fraction frigates will often only last for 15 - 20 seconds, so you can get the kill before they get a chance to escape.
    non retarded drams will just orbit close where your shitty tracking will pwn you though.
    With 150s and a metastasis rig (go t2 burst and t1 metastasis rather than t1 burst + t1 collision), you can get the Wolf's tracking up to 0.52 rad/s, which should be enough to kill a cookie-cutter dualprop dram trying that (0.54 rad/s with bonused 200s), especially since the Wolf's sig is 30% smaller.

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    Re: Wolf

    non retarded drams will just orbit close where your shitty tracking will pwn you though
    Kinda, null enyo has about .45 tracking. I was still landing a few hits on a td dramiel orbiting at 500, although yeah in that case I died from tracking (he was 10% shields). Plus they're making a gamble with your ammo selection. Wolf with 150's and a TE is ~.5 tracking. If you keep mashing approach then aligning back out you can lower the transversal a bit. It also depends on how much damage you do to them before they get into a decent orbit.

    You're right though, a 'non retarded' (ie. decent) dramiel pilot could win like that. But good dramiel pilots aren't exactly commonplace.

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    Re: Wolf

    Flew the vagawolf the other day.

    Lost it on the first flight due to screwing up and getting in scram range of a good rupture pilot.

    I liked the concept and it performed well until I got ballsy and tried a bit too hard to draw aggro and paid the price.

    The Damage output at range was nice though.
    I tried to be cool and all I got was a lousy warning about my sig being too big.

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    Re: Wolf

    Quote Originally Posted by illusionalsgcty
    [Wolf, lolshields]
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I

    Medium Shield Extender II
    1MN Afterburner II

    200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S

    Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
    Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
    Velocity: 411 / 987 / 1274
    EHP: 9.38k
    Barrage: 1.95km + 22.1km, 188 / 216 dps
    Phased Plasma: .975km + 14.8km, 236 / 271 dps

    Pros: Tanked wrong, no range control, useless in solo work.

    I'll fly it later(tm) in a wolfpack, in theory it'll do great if the tacklers are non-retarded. Most everybody who is not flying a wolf has some sort of tackle anyway. If you downgrade the extender to a F-S9, you can fit your choice of meta neut.
    Similar to mine:

    [Wolf, Wolf fit]

    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    Small Energy Neutralizer II
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

    1MN Afterburner II
    Medium Shield Extender II

    Damage Control II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
    Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I


    I break this out during skirmishes when some frigate-sized dogfighting is in order. 250 DPS at 1000 m/s with 9k EHP.

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    Re: Wolf

    This is a fit I saw something like it on these boards awhile ago but I think I modified it a little bit.

    Now I am not an expert frigate pilot, in fact i hardly every flew frigs but this has now changed.

    [Wolf, New Setup 1]
    Damage Control II
    400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II

    1MN Afterburner II
    Warp Scrambler II

    125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
    125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
    125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
    125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S
    Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

    Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
    Small Projectile Burst Aerator I

    I'd like to update my post with my battleclinic thing to show how well my fit works, I've solo'd just about all the assault frigates as well as a bunch of faction frigates. o/

    http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboar...e=Tornado+Bait

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    I've always been a bit about Wolfs gaping explosive hole.
    After this http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10299593 (was breaking his rep but not fast enough)
    i EFTd something with decent eHP vs. explosive

    [Wolf, pimp]
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
    400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

    Small Projectile Burst Aerator II
    Small Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I

    11k+ eHP vs. explosive w/ hardener heated; 237/273dps

    The hardener uses 16 CPU and costs ~11mil
    Last edited by n0th; August 3 2011 at 06:53:14 PM.

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    Took this out on a test run today:

    [Wolf, DPS]
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
    Small Armor Repairer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S
    Salvager I /OFFLINE
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S

    Small Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
    Small Projectile Burst Aerator II

    316 heated DPS, ~5.5k ehp.

    Still not sure if I want the agility and slight dps hit for more buffer like in Wensley's fit. Tried to get a fight with a couple Drams today but alas they were afeared :[
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    [Wolf, New? cheaper]

    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
    J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

    F85 Peripheral Damage System I
    200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Gyrostabilizer II
    F-aQ Phase Code Tracking Subroutines
    Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I

    Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
    Small Anti-Explosive Pump I


    [Wolf, New? dps?]

    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    [Empty High slot]
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
    Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I

    F85 Peripheral Damage System I
    400mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I

    Small Ancillary Current Router I
    Small Anti-Explosive Pump I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    [Wolf, New? cheaper]

    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
    J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

    F85 Peripheral Damage System I
    200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Gyrostabilizer II
    F-aQ Phase Code Tracking Subroutines
    Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I

    Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
    Small Anti-Explosive Pump I


    [Wolf, New? dps?]

    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    [Empty High slot]
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

    Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
    Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I

    F85 Peripheral Damage System I
    400mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I

    Small Ancillary Current Router I
    Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
    both looks cool. maybe a nos on the second as well although you drop dps for this.

    is there a new eft out?



    also what dps and tracking figures are you getting with those?

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    New PyFA
    New EFT
    I made my recently posted AF fits with a chaos build of PyFA, updating tools now...

    271dps with heat but no implants for the first, 0.585 tracking with that ammo
    282dps for the second, 0.622. Nearly 1k more EHP. Swapping explo rig for T2 dps one gets to 316 dps. Still, no nos.
    287dps on the first fit if you upgrade to a T2 dps rig. Was going for cheap & average SP fits. Couldn't really manage much for this ship what with only 2 mids. Only other way seemed to be without a repper, and several fitting mods.

    [Wolf, New? 400mm 2]

    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S

    Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
    J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

    F85 Peripheral Damage System I
    400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
    Co-Processor I

    Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
    Small Anti-Explosive Pump I


    271dps, 9.58k ehp, 0.541 tracking, doesn't seem worth it over either previous fit unless you really want that ~1-1.5k more buffer rather than a repper. Can swap co-pro and gyro for 2x meta4 TEs, 224dps though.

    It can do buffer+SAR+nos and arties, but 2 mids and no good bonuses for arties, seems a terrible idea. 2 SAR is also terrible. Ship seems crippled/tied to one or two armour fits.
    Last edited by Daneel Trevize; January 25 2012 at 03:32:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Ship seems crippled/tied to one or two armour fits.
    Neut is essential if you're going against other AF.

    Ship is pretty beast. 5:0 or so with mine so far, including Enyo/other Wolf/ 14k eHP Jag.
    Will probably get pawned by a several other AF though (certain Ishkur and Vengeance fits, Harpy) once people realize how good they are and fit properly.
    Last edited by n0th; January 25 2012 at 08:22:08 PM.

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    [Wolf, Standard]
    Small Armor Repairer II
    Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener
    Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener
    200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Tracking Enhancer II
    
    Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
    Warp Scrambler II
    
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
    Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
    
    Small Projectile Burst Aerator II
    Small Trimark Armor Pump I
    Is how I'm fitting my first couple. I don't like 400 fits because they are damn brickish.
    220dps after implants (no heat), 9.2 unheated uniform tank (90/67.5/66.3/59.5) with ability to plug those massive holes via heat.
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