[TMA] Soloing in interceptors.

[Daneel Trevize]

Crusader = armour tanked Slicer? Where the Slicer is shield/hero tanked.

[prometheus]

the taranis is a bit of an anomaly because it can take on larger ships

ding ding ding
but lets leave combat inty for another thread, shall we?

Crusader = armour tanked Slicer? Where the Slicer is shield/hero tanked.

Yea, usually.
The Slicer operates very similarly to how the old fotm Crusaders used to. The difference is the tracking.
The Slicer can do a mean tank brawler (super-punisher), but the lack of tracking bonus makes its less than desirable.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

Taranis still does take on other inties really well fwiw

[Anzoxe]

How would you go about fighting a bc or cruiser anyway?

Also is it every worth it to engage a thrasher or should I just avoid them.

[Cue1*]

How would you go about fighting a bc or cruiser anyway?

Also is it every worth it to engage a thrasher or should I just avoid them.

Cruiser, get under it's guns or kite it. BC, hope and pray it doesn't have a neut(since Ti2 ones usually do).

[Raz]

Also is it every worth it to engage a thrasher or should I just avoid them.

You can kill an arty Thrasher if you can get on top of it immediately, preferably with it warping in to you, and then stay under its guns. AC Thrashers are extremely mean now with the recent buff, but you can probably kill one if you know it to be extremely new and/or terrible. But it's risky.

[Gix Tyrionn]

Something like this:

[Crusader, The Man]
Heat Sink II
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Small Armor Repairer II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I

More tank than the standard dual prop Taranis (buffer is the same, but the rep helps alot in interceptor vs interceptor fights and I guess between fights). Scorch means you can't get kited at the edge of scrambler range unlike a Ranis. If you're fighting a Ranis, make sure the fight doesn't start at 0! If you overheat the MWD you can delay the time until he gets ontop of you by a few seconds which can be the difference between living in structure and dying.

Obviously, the DPS is lower (by about ~100) but it's an interesting toss-up between damage projection & actual raw damage out. Of course, the DP Taranis is much better for dealing with bigger ships generally (AB helps a ton and damage projection doesn't matter).

Why not AB fit?
Makes kiting at scram/scorch range, and fitting a hell of a lot easier. You can maximize the rep w/ orbit if you know you'll have time to fight. Near 200dps/150 scorch. OH'ing at 2k with a 32 sig can get you out of alot of bad situations. Particularly the ones you'll be in (inside a scram range with a frigate) rather than the avoidable ones an mwd helps with (warping into bubble hell death).

[Crusader, Brawler]
Heat Sink II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II

J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
1MN Afterburner II

Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S

Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Small Energy Burst Aerator I

[prometheus]

Because AB fits aren't exactly useful for 00.
Vagas/Cynabals/Link canes are faster than you for christs sake, as well as the other interceptors.

You're basically making the Crusader even worse.

[n0th]

Why not AB fit?

Because you wont get fights you can win in 0.0 with an AB fit.
Ship that cant actually ~move~ around the grid is p much useless. The only people who will want to engage you solo will be those sure of victory. Also you'll die to camps.

AB fits are for "1vs1 amamake first belt pls"

[Suleiman Shouaa]

Something like this:

[Crusader, The Man]
Heat Sink II
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Small Armor Repairer II
Adaptive Nano Plating II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency S

Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I

More tank than the standard dual prop Taranis (buffer is the same, but the rep helps alot in interceptor vs interceptor fights and I guess between fights). Scorch means you can't get kited at the edge of scrambler range unlike a Ranis. If you're fighting a Ranis, make sure the fight doesn't start at 0! If you overheat the MWD you can delay the time until he gets ontop of you by a few seconds which can be the difference between living in structure and dying.

Obviously, the DPS is lower (by about ~100) but it's an interesting toss-up between damage projection & actual raw damage out. Of course, the DP Taranis is much better for dealing with bigger ships generally (AB helps a ton and damage projection doesn't matter).

Why not AB fit?
Makes kiting at scram/scorch range, and fitting a hell of a lot easier. You can maximize the rep w/ orbit if you know you'll have time to fight. Near 200dps/150 scorch. OH'ing at 2k with a 32 sig can get you out of alot of bad situations. Particularly the ones you'll be in (inside a scram range with a frigate) rather than the avoidable ones an mwd helps with (warping into bubble hell death).

[Crusader, Brawler]
Heat Sink II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II

J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
1MN Afterburner II

Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Gatling Pulse Laser II, Scorch S

Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Small Energy Burst Aerator I

That's the fit I use and I'm fairly sure I gave it to you ingame. However, since the discussion was obviously slanted at 0.0, an MWD is more appropriate.

[Ophichius]

Okay, so, side question to interceptors and faction frigates. Since I want to be able to go after bigger stuff, the taranis seems to be a really solid choice. However, I compared similar Taranis and FNC dualprop + nos fits, and the numbers are so close that I can't really tell which ship has the edge.

[Federation Navy Comet, FNC - Dualprop]
Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Ambit Extension I
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I


Warrior II x3
Hobgoblin II x3

265 DPS with CNAM, 3458/1276 MWD/AB velocity, 2.6s align. 4.2k EHP

[Taranis, Taranis - Dualprop]
Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Ancillary Current Router II


Hobgoblin II x2


231 DPS with CNAM, 3650/1369 MWD/AB velocity, 3.1s align, 3.8k EHP

Is the faster AB speed and lower MWD sig bloom on the Taranis worth the lower EHP, lower DPS, and worse align time?

-O

[Warmenhoven]

Check the tracking on the two, iirc the FNC doesn't get a tracking bonus?

[prometheus]

Yes, FNC gets tracking.

[Tyrus Tenebros]

The MWD bloom can be a pretty big deal, but really if you want to fight above your weightclass i think an AF (or daredevil even) is a better choice. Most AFs can almost certainly kill a rapier, where for the 'ranis it's a bit of a tossup based on whether he fit ACs, how fast you kill his drones, and how he's tanked.

[prometheus]

Taranis will always kill a Rapier if you're starting from tackle range. It doesn't even need to be a dual-prop setup.
The only thing you need to worry about is ECM drones.

AFs are a bad choice, as there's really only 2 of them that can reliably do it in a fair bit of time (Ishkur/Jag), but the ships are fat and slow so you're probably die more often than a Taranis or Comet would.
If the boost patch goes live however.... Different story. Recon pilots (for teh most part) are gonna be slow on the pick-up that AFs have become worth flying.

[Rampro.]

I had some fun in the ranis in syndicate recently (fixing my sec) , I fit for highest Dps I could get with an MSE and scram. Anything I thought i could kill before it killed me I had a shot at .
I used null because when MWDing to target and vice versa range seemed to pull +2k for 1/2 the fight , it just seemed to give better results (bar the drake which I used viod on.)

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12062472

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12066366

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12066574

this was the fit I used but u prob could fit nuetrons with a t2 power core im not sure the ship was fit pre patch.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12066578

im not saying thats a good fit either just good fun

and anything with a web is gonna ruin this fits day.

[Big Jord]

So is it Taranis or nothing for inties? The Ranis and the faction frigs are the only ships really mentioned here. How about the Claw, is that any good?

[Mr Marram]

So is it Taranis or nothing for inties? The Ranis and the faction frigs are the only ships really mentioned here. How about the Claw, is that any good?

Tackle ones will still be viable for fleet work due to the speed and tackle range but for combat its pretty much only the ranis. Other do work like the malediction as a baby vengence and the sader as a baby retribution but the AFs do it a lot better for the same size hull.

[Lady Spank]

Claw lacks web which makes it less desirable for solo.

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