I think it is the same tank isnt it? if you overload the invuln.
I think it is the same tank isnt it? if you overload the invuln.
Was the Cynabal nerfed along with the Dramiel? I've been running solo frigs a lot lately, and now I want to upgrade to solo'ing in Cruisers. I've brawled with an armor rupture, pwning a frig and destroyer gate camp, but otherwise, my cruiser experience is limited.
Any tips for running this or a Vaga?
Nope, but I got my eye on it.Originally Posted by StevieTopSiders
Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.
"You give me the awful impression - I hate to have to say - of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position. Ever."
with the teir 3's out i've ended up ditching the AB for a tracking disruptor, just ends up being mroe useful more often.
how well does the td work when you're sitting at like 25km?
I'm not sure there is a weak range in the effectiveness graph. If you're being run down by something, swap to speed script and dive under the guns, you'll only have to survive a few volleys at most before you're there. Else if you're able to outpace the target, you've loaded a range script and it just gets better.
If there is a less-effective range in a specific combo of yours & theirs' sig & speed/transv stats, surely you'd react & move to achieve more effectiveness from the TD either way? Failing that, would unscripted TD not shine best in that case along with flying to get max transv if you must remain at that range?
late, late, lateeeeeee reply here, but:If you want some functional pimp, RF gyros are your friends.Since the nanonerf it really hasn't been easy to functionally pimp nanoships without spending a bazillion iskies on stuff that gives a few % bonus(in this case, to a luxury item, which is to say capacitor).
I remember when domination or RF MWD was standard fit on vaga because of the speed boost increase. I guess I'll go cry bittervet tears in the corner for a bit, while I buy a 20k isk mwd for my 200m isk pimp hull.
...The disruptor is still worth getting though, right?
(yeah yeah, stating the obvious, sue me)
1. RF point dovetails nicely with the Cynabals falloff with 425s
2. If you want to "functionally pimp" your cynabal, do it with implants. snakes+zor's or if you want to go the "cheap" route shaqil's+zor's
[Cynabal, Garmon's Cynabal]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Dark Blood Warp Scrambler
Medium Capacitor Booster II,Navy Cap Booster 800
Invulnerability Field II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Just dropping this here..
DPS 499/561
TANK 228/319
AB running 23.1s align 1764/2486
Of course all that is without Loki links, which Loki at the least would be used..
Yeah he said on the 'Bringing Solo Back' podcast he was running it with links & implants. Can't remember if that was snakes or crystals. "800ish EFT active tank". Wouldn't be surprised if it had siege links going as well as skirmish.
Last edited by Daneel Trevize; March 4 2012 at 07:27:15 PM.
You need both a tengu and HG Crystals to break 800 omni-dps tanked with that setup. You need a loki to get its ass into gear enough that you can maybe outrun MWD cruisers/BC, and to give teh scrambler halfway decent range. Its a cool setup, but that's two alts and 2bil in implants to make the thing even begin to work; 319 dps tanked is going to get rofl stomped by the first BC or HAC you come across.
Noob question: You can have two boosters at once? I thought whoever was highest in the hierarchy would give the boosts, and lower hierarchy people would just pass along the big man's boost.
Example: Boosting Loki is Fleet Commander. Random duder is Wing Commander. Boosting Tengu is Squad Leader.
People have FC V, WC V, and Leadership V. Will a squad member receive both Tengu/Loki boosts? Will the wing commander receive only Loki boosts? What about the Fleet Commander?
You recieve bonuses from people higher in the hierarchy than yourself. So, wing commander gets boosts from FC and himself, but not from a squad commander. You can also get boosts from the fleet booster, which applies to everyone (I pretty sure). If multiple people are giving the same boosts then the highest boost is the one you get. For example, an Erebus will override the armor bonus from a damnation. You can recieve multiple bonuses from different people, so yes it's possible to have several different t3 / CS boosters, but the second one will need to be duplicated for each wing.
Actually I think you can put the booster anywhere in fleet, you just need a working chain of command (positions filled by people with enough skills and undocked in a ship in system) up and back down again to those you want to boost. We've had people lack the Wing Commander skill for more than a dps and logi squad, so put the booster ship in the dps squad, have the WC revoke their own booster, assigned said wing booster to the link ship, and have the logi also recieve bonuses.
Did something similar on an RvB Ganked night v recently too iirc, the booster was a WC but assigned fleet booster, and the FC had the skills for multiple wings and could also still fleet-warp.
You can only have 1 person giving Fleet Boost, and 1 Wing Boost per wing, etc.
When it comes to 2 T3s giving links, they can also remote eccm each other to be more easily unprobeable, as remote ECCM (and remote sensor boosters, etc) give better bonuses than local ones.
Last edited by Daneel Trevize; March 4 2012 at 10:09:15 PM.
Its trivially easy to get the ships to "unprobable" status with the loki in gang anyways due to the -sigradius gang link. You don't need to fuss around with projected ECCM. For true safety, you'd want those link alts at least some distance from one another (preferably different safes to begin with) so one probe set doesn't get both ships killed if you do come across a virtued prober.
lol no. jesus christ no. fuck no. etc no.
He's actually right, you would be smoked by a Drake.lol no. jesus christ no. fuck no. etc no.
You NEED the implants and the links for that retarded fit to work.
The ONLY option you have is to run like a bitch when you realize you don't have a tank.
you need them for it to be worth your time. you don't need them to not get "rofl stomped by the first BC or HAC you come across." why people who are not interested in heroic battle even bother eft'ing these type of fits designed purely for true warrior souls is beyond me. that they then try to post about them like they have any idea what they are talking about... no words.He's actually right, you would be smoked by a Drake.lol no. jesus christ no. fuck no. etc no.
You NEED the implants and the links for that retarded fit to work.
The ONLY option you have is to run like a bitch when you realize you don't have a tank.
You've got less than 10k eHP in shields, repping a little over 900 eHP a cycle (with improved blue).
You NEED the help to make this worthwhile, otherwise you'll be destroyed by the normal Vagabonds/Cynabals/Hurricanes/Drakes that you're sure to attract (should you stick around).
Could it work? Sure.
It is remotely worth the amount of isk & effort? Not a chance.
All you're going to kill with this unlinked/implanted ship is tiny tackle and the odd retard.
Last edited by prometheus; March 6 2012 at 03:27:55 AM.
Yes, I'm not HEROIC SPACE WARRIOR, therefore I can't plug a fit into EFT and say, "wow, those numbers look really shitty until you throw two alts and a 2+bil implant set at it". Yea, the tank is just barely thick enough that you can maybe kill a PODLA drake piloted by a younger charachter, assuming no backup EVER shows up. You aren't fast enough to outrun battlecruisers, and they have tripple your agility while under propulsion. So lets review:you need them for it to be worth your time. you don't need them to not get "rofl stomped by the first BC or HAC you come across." why people who are not interested in heroic battle even bother eft'ing these type of fits designed purely for true warrior souls is beyond me. that they then try to post about them like they have any idea what they are talking about... no words.He's actually right, you would be smoked by a Drake.lol no. jesus christ no. fuck no. etc no.
You NEED the implants and the links for that retarded fit to work.
The ONLY option you have is to run like a bitch when you realize you don't have a tank.
1) You can tank a HML drake, maybe. Anything with more dps, or a neut, is going to fucking wreck you. Hurricanes are COMPLETELY impossible to engage in this fit without the boosters.
2) You are slower than most battle cruisers. A 2x Nano drake is almost as fast as you are, but he'll be up to speed in 1/3 the time. He probably has a web.
3) you can only fight in web range
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to say this is stupid. You are throwing some moderately expensive faction modules on a moderately expensive ship, with no buffer and practically no tank. Regular Cynabal fits might have to run from Hurricanes and HML drakes as well... but, and hey, here is the KEY DIFFERENCE - they can do so, and aren't forced to fight in web range. Arguing that this fit is a good idea without the additional pimpage is just stupid, and the HONORABLE E-WARRIOR rhetoric is completely unhelpful. Cynabals are great ships because they can kill what they can kill, and tackle and try everything else. When the going gets scary, they run away like flighty space pixies. This fit is going to try to fight something, and then its going to get hulk smashed without those alts and implants. Its just that simple. Its not a good fit to recommend to 99.99% of the player base, and for the 0.01%, you already know what you're doing enough to not even reference this forum.
To say it is a bad idea without the implants and links is obvious.
To go on to say that without them you will get "rofl stomped" by any BC or HAC anywhere is just silly.
edit: but rereading that i came off pretty spergy and mean. sorry about that. i doubt you meant exactly what you said and not sure why i took it so literally.
Last edited by joe space; March 6 2012 at 06:25:12 AM.
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